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NancyElder
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That's exactly the feeling I've been having with the Scots in Pennsylvania,
and their descendants, so I asked my brother to help with the DNA study.
We have lots of ELDER lists with "brick walls" all around!
Hoping to find more ELDER families in Scotland to help with DNA.
A new Genealogy DNA lab will open in Glasgow Caledonian University
on June 14, 2007. May be more "matches" there!
ELDER DNA Case Study as of May 2007:
"ELDER DNA ANALYSIS finds differences in ELDER lines."
Looking at the "PETER ELDER of Virginia" list, where the
DNA kits for descendants of "SAMUEL ELDER d. 1811 Meigs Co TN"
ARE NOT MATCHING DNA of 4 "PETER ELDER" kits.
SAMUEL ELDER's descendants have
4 MATCHES with "FRANKLIN CO PA"
(using authoritative PA kits, 20 kits total are matching)
see Tennessee, Kentucky and Arkansas matches to FRANKLIN CO PA:
"WILLIAM ELDER" b. 1780 m. Rebecca Cate as
Ancestor of Ann ELDER POE,
(ELDER DNA kits #13706, #23663 as Sevier Co TN)= "Franklin Co PA"
brother
"John S. ELDER" b. 1782 m. Nancy Sullins as
Ancestor of John Silas ELDER b. 1845 TN d. 1913 AR = "Franklin Co PA"
(ELDER DNA kit #85035)
brother
"Jacob ELDER" d. 1818 KY as
Ancestor of (ELDER DNA kit #20638)= "Franklin Co PA"
****
DIFFERENT DNA:
ELDER DNA of "PAXTANG" (Harrisburg) PA is very different from
"FRANKLIN CO PA" and "PETER ELDER" groups.
(5 DNA kits of matching "I=ISLES VIKING DNA in PAXTANG group)
See ELDER surname DNA group charts for codes matching DNA:
MENU: Click Y-RESULTS
at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
ANALYSIS:
GROUP A = "FRANKLIN CO PA" = (R1b1 Haplogroup)
ELDER DNA kits of Franklin Co PA - match each other
at
13 24 15 10 10 14 12 12 12 13 13 29
GROUP B.= "PETER ELDER" = (R1b1 Haplogroup)
4 kits of ELDER DNA of "PETER ELDER" - match each other
at
13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 14 13 30
GROUP C.= "PAXTANG PA" = (I ISLES) Haplogroup- VIKING DNA
ELDER DNA kits of "PAXTANG ELDER" - match each other 12/12
at
15 24 15 10 15 16 11 13 11 13 12 29
DNA analysis reports:
Group A and B have less than 2% chance of relationship to each other
while
GROUP A and B have NO (0%) relationship to Group C.
This is a quite different conclusion than many of the
ELDER family stories and histories we find in libraries,
which often describe these groups as closely related.
I'm beginning to think that more of the women of ELDER families
were related, to make some of the stories ring true.
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Nancy Elder Petersen
Vancouver, WA USA
Retired Librarian
D.A.R. Member #833222
Rev. War Soldier, Robert ELDER (1730-1807) Franklin Co PA
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NancyElder
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I'm hoping that some Glasgow DNA announcement publicity will help!
Nancy wrote (May 9, 2007):
TO: Dr Kiain Balloch
Post Doctoral Reseach Fellow
Centre for Forensic Investigation
School of Life Sciences Charles Oakley Labs
Glasgow Caledonian University
Dear Dr. Balloch,
RE: LORD THOMAS MURRAY ELDER, of Fife Scotland, House of Lords.
An online article with political names supporting
Gordon Brown, on May 9, 2007, titled:
"Who's in Whose Camp" -- mentions "LORD (MURRAY) ELDER"
Would it be possible to send a Y-DNA kit to LORD MURRAY ELDER,
asking him to help announce the opening of the DNA lab
at Glasgow Caledonian University, and to compare his Y-DNA with the
current FamilyTreeDNA ELDER project?
Hope that helps!!
Nancy Elder Petersen
Host, ELDER DNA project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ELDER
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NancyElder
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Found another current ELDER entry online
posted at
ISLE OF SKYE - notes
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/ColinElderOfSkye.htm
List of Craftsmen:
http://www.dswa.org.uk/professionals/regions/scotland.htm
Medium level Craftsmen
ELDER, COLIN
TEL: 01470 511752
16 Lower Milovaig,
Glendale,
Isle of Skye,
IV55 8WR
Location near: Vacation Cottage at Glendale - maps:
at
http://www.skyeselect.com/index.htm
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ELDER History on Isle of Skye:
Xerox sent by Ann M. MacKinnon, Curator,
Clan Donald Library & Museum of the Isles
Armadale, Sleat, Isle of Skye, Scotland
From Book:
Maccowan, Roderick.
The men of Skye.
Glasgow, 1902.
Page 201-203.
COLIN ELDER
"Colin Elder was a worthy man. He occupied the farm of Knock, Sleat,
on a lease from Lord MacDonald, at the annual rent of upwards of L400.
His father came to Skye, and occupied the shop at Isle Ornsay, one of the
oldest commercial establishments in Skye. In the connection, the word,
"Going to Isle Ornsay to buy tea," became a proverb in the district.
On the death of his father, Colin took the farm, and, owing to his social position, he was of great service to the Church in his day.
"We made his hospitable mansion our resting-place," says Dr. Beith,
"and not a little enjoyed the intelligent converse of a man who,
although living a most retired life, was a thorough classical scholar,
and alumnus of Marischall College, Aberdeen, and well read in all modern literature.
One of his sons is the present minister of Woolwich, of the English Presbyterian Church."....
In Sleat there were several God-fearing men.
We give the names of some of them--Donald MacClure, a godly catechist;
John MacIntosh, elder; Colonel Elder, of Knock, elder; Ewan MacDonald, Tarskavaig; John MacKinnon, Ardavaser; John MacPherson, and Malcolm MacInnes...."
Note on Chart for John Elder, born about 1766. Married Margaret MacBean
Children: Jane, Elizabeth, Georgina, Colin, b. about 1798,
Alexander Macdonald Elder, Mary Mackinnon Elder,
John Benjamin Elder.
"There is mention in the "Inverness Journal" that indicates that Colin was most probably in Kyleakin in the 1820s.
We have found mention of him there in the 1830's.
More SCOTLAND histories:
JOHN ELDER, cartographer, born in Caithness in 1500's,
contributed to publication of:
MERCATOR ATLAS OF EUROPE
see:
http://www.walkingtree.com/excerptbarber.html
Sailing Directions For The North Coast, by George Watson
http://www.caithness.org/history/articles/sailingdirections.htm
...."The most likely candidate was John Elder,
who was born in Caithness and was brought up In Skye and Lewis.
In 1543 Elder sent a letter and a 'plotte' or map of Scotland to King Henry VIII. As a cartographer he is
likely to have had the type of information which Lindsay needed."
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Oscar The Grouch
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Hello,
I've been asked by someone who does not have Internet access to help them to try and find other researchers of the following family. Is anyone able to tell me whether the Elder family on this thread is connected to the David Elder below? It’s a bit difficult for me to work out whether there is a connection or not as I’m not related to this family and I don’t have all the facts.
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NancyElder
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In our ELDER DNA project, we have Sutherland County matches
for DNA kits, but I don't have a confirmed paper trail.
I'll be happy to talk to anyone researching ELDER surnames.
Scotland DNA Webpage (ELDER kits posted on "R1b" and "I"=Viking charts)
at
http://www.ourfamilyorigins.com/scotland/dna.htm
DNA NEWS:
FamilyTreeDNA officers from Houston, Texas,
will be attending the Edinburgh Scottish Clan Gathering 2009.
Hope they can find more ELDER DNA connections for us!
E-mail me anytime!
--Nancy Elder Petersen
Vancouver, Washington State, USA
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see ELDER Y-Results chart for FamilyTreeDNA.com:
at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
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relder
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I stumbled upon this thread in the course of a general web search. I'm hoping that GreenValley is still listening for replies.
My interest is drawn by the following post from '07 (Post #5):
"Intriguingly a David Elder died at Raploch Farm in 1862: fishery officer at Island of Westray, Orkney; then at Helmsdale, and lately resided at Raploch, spouse of Janet Robertson or Elder.Davids family later emigrated to new Zealand or there abouts. My theory is that he must have been related to the "Raploch Elders", why would he be visiting them otherwise? He and his family were planning to emigrate at te time and I think he went to say farewell."
The David Elder in question was my Gt-Gt-Grandfather. I am descended from one of his sons who emigrated to New Zealand in the 1850-60s. David Elder, his wife and eldest daughter Jane Kerr elder were planning to come to New Zealand also. However, all three died within the space of 12 months. Five of the family - 3 sons and 2 daughters - settled in New Zealand and we have full records of their families here. In fact one of my cousins is about to publish a family history in June '09.
I would be very interested to hear from GreenValley to explore the possibility that our lines are linked. It would certainly seem so as we believe David Elder was taken in by the family at Raploch Farm during his final illness.
Ron Elder
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NancyElder
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Hi Ron,
I hope Greenvalley is able to tell you more, too!
I'd also like to hear more about the soon-to-be-published genealogy.
It would be great if you could help us with the ELDER DNA project.
Let me know if you are interested.
Nancy Elder Petersen
Host, ELDER DNA project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
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NancyElder
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Mention of STIRLINGSHIRE recently found in County DONEGAL IRELAND research:
Posting notes
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/DonegalBurnfoot.htm
ROBERT ELDER of BURNFOOT, Co DONEGAL -
and STIRLINGSHIRE SCOTLAND
at
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/PATTERSON/2000-10/0972140029
From: "T. David Elder"
Subject: [PATTERSON-L] PATTERSON & ELDER IN PENNSYLVANIA
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:20:05 -0400
>Hi Ann and Listers,
>I would like to identify the origin of Elizabeth "Mary" PATTERSON
(father William) who was born in the lowlands of Scotland (probably
near Glasgow) about 1700-1708 and married Thomas ELDER either there
or in County Antrim near Lough Neagh, Ireland.
From there they immigrated to PA about 1730-1733 where they settled in Paxtang, PA.
Thomas ELDER left a will dated 8 May 1751 and probated 3 Aug 1752. I
would like to know more about this branch of the Patterson family.
>Thanks for your help,
Dave
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From: Catherine Harwood
Subject: Re: [PATTERSON-L] PATTERSON & ELDER IN PA
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 10:53:49 -0400
References: <v04210101b611559828cd@[209.252.32.9]>
> Hi Dave and Listers
..... >I have a Thomson Family genealogy table prepared by John James Elder
born at Ashgrove, Castlefin, County Donegal, November 5, 1859.
He died in Toronto,Ontario. I don't know when.
His father, Andrew married a Thomson of Moyle, Co. Donegal.
>I am a Patterson, presently of Ottawa, Ontario, whose GG grandfather,
John Patterson, of Rubbleshinney, Milford, Donegal (b. Oct. 10, 1814)
married another Thomson sister. I can account for the Pattersons of this marriage.
>John was the son of William Patterson. He married Sarah Jane Gallagher.
>That is as far as I can go with my Pattersons, right now. The Elders and
Pattersons in this case are cousins.
>The author of this genealogy identifies his Elder family as being
descended from Robert Elder of Stirlingshire who settled at Burnfoot,
Ireland before 1700.
>Is this of interest to anyone? Would love to hear from you.
Catherine
Nancy's note:
Egles' book (ELDER chapter of "PENNSYLVANIA GENEALOGIES") lists:
4. iii. Thomas, b. 1708; m. Mary Patterson, dau. of William Patterson, of Paxtang. "
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Using Google.com, searched for CASTLEFIN and COUNTY DONEGAL
found webpage by EJ BORIS - including ELDER names in County Donegal
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ejboris/pafn26.htm
and chart with ELDER of Castlefin
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ejboris/jjelder_p10_11.jpg
Nancy Elder Petersen
Host, ELDER DNA project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
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