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Kevinshouse
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What is a Rag Sorter?
« on: Thursday 22 January 09 20:16 UTC (UK) »

I have found a family member - occupation Rag Sorter - I know or presume they would have sorted rags, but what for and why? Any help much appreciated
Kind regards Susan
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Re: What is a Rag Sorter?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 22 January 09 20:47 UTC (UK) »

Hi Susan

It might not be just old rags, googling around I found that they also have it down as

Occupation: RAG SORTER (PAPER)

Occupation Rag Sorter, industry Paper Mill

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Re: What is a Rag Sorter?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 22 January 09 20:51 UTC (UK) »

Also found this. although I think its in the USA, but would have thought that they did the same over here Huh

http://www.umaine.edu/folklife/wphistory.html

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Harby,Garton,Drury,Duncombe,Booth,Catton,Barker, Kirkby, Wilson. Lincolnshire,
Also Murkin's, Jeffery,Pettitt,Carter, from Suffolk/Cambridgeshire boarder
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Re: What is a Rag Sorter?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 22 January 09 20:57 UTC (UK) »

Many thanks for your replies Ricky, my relative Elizaebeth (a great aunt was a rag sorter aged 17 on the 1911 census, but they lived in a small village in the countryside! I wonder where she did her sorting.
Many thanks again for your time
Kind regards Susan
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Re: What is a Rag Sorter?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 22 January 09 21:05 UTC (UK) »

Hi Susan

I aint as old as the 1911 census Grin Grin Grin, but I can remember a woman in our village used to go around collecting  old clothes. She used to remove the buttons etc, and then bag up the clothes/rags and sell them. Perhaps thats all your rellie did Huh
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Harby,Garton,Drury,Duncombe,Booth,Catton,Barker, Kirkby, Wilson. Lincolnshire,
Also Murkin's, Jeffery,Pettitt,Carter, from Suffolk/Cambridgeshire boarder
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Re: What is a Rag Sorter?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 22 January 09 21:07 UTC (UK) »

Here's a good site for old occupations

http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/a.html


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Re: What is a Rag Sorter?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 22 January 09 21:10 UTC (UK) »

Hello Susan,

Rag sorters may have been people who sorted old clothes for charitable or commercial purposes I remember people going around Belfast collecting old clothes when I was a child just after the war  I think they may have had a pony and small cart to get to the suburbs ... in the more densely populated parts of the city they may have used hand carts. You knew they were coming as they shouted "Any old rags?"

The rags were sorted into those that were still fit for wear and those that could be used for other purposes. Some people's rags are other people's good clothes. Those that were fit for wear were sold at stalls in markets or in second hand clothing shops. The same thing happens in charity shops today. Items fit for wear are kept and items not fit are bagged up for collection by recycling businesses. The charities receive a payment which is based on the weight of the items passed on to the recyclers.

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Re: What is a Rag Sorter?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 22 January 09 22:53 UTC (UK) »

Paper was originally made from rags and so a rag sorter was a normal occupation to be found in a paper mill.

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Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse
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Re: What is a Rag Sorter?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 23 January 09 15:52 UTC (UK) »

High quality,  high density cartridge paper still has a "rag" content.   Rag sorters were also involved in the "shoddy" market,  where old "rags" were in effect "re-constituted" and re-used,  maybe as filling,  or such things as "flock" mattress covers etc.   There was a thriving industry in the West Riding  of Yorkshire in the production of "shoddy" and I suppose the word itself now expresses it as "being of inferior quality"
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Re: What is a Rag Sorter?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 23 January 09 16:10 UTC (UK) »

as it has all ready been said a rag sorter were employed in  paper making this is were the term old rag meaning a cheap newspaper came from. At the ford papermill South Hylton now part of Sunderland rags were used untill the 1860s when Thomas Routleuege brought the papermakers Flaxen ,Curd and Bryant from Barkshire to produce paper using esparto grass which made  paper of a better quallity When the mll closed in the 1970s members of these 3 familys were still working at the mill.
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Re: What is a Rag Sorter?
« Reply #10 on: Friday 23 January 09 16:15 UTC (UK) »

If you look at this Site:

http://www.boydharris.co.uk/wf01.htm

(A Paper Mill).

You'll see that people were still working as Rag Sorters in the 1950's!

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Re: What is a Rag Sorter?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 24 January 09 08:04 UTC (UK) »

In the Batley area of West Yorkshire, Rag sorters were employed to sort rags in the Shoddy mills. The rags were sorted according to the materiaal they were made of, they were then 'reconstituted', mixed with a proportion of new wool and made into cloth. The cloth was used to make uniforms for the armed forces. They also made Mungo in the batley area. Mungo was similar to shoddy.
Rag sorters were skilled workers as they could identify the different materials they were sorting.

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Re: What is a Rag Sorter?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 24 January 09 10:31 UTC (UK) »

hi again in the north east we have rag and bone men they used horse and carts they would take coats, woolens,shoes and scrap metal  or anything else they could get on the cart  if you had things to give them they would give you a gold fish or washing pegs now goldfish is a no no.Now they tend to come round just looking for scrap in clapped out transit vans.
regards neil
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kenny from ireland befre moveing to north shields  flaxen/flexon from cumnor then sunderland robinson from rothbury then north shields urqhart somewhere in scotland then sunderland
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Re: What is a Rag Sorter?
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 24 January 09 10:50 UTC (UK) »


Susan
           My g.g.grandparents were rag + bone gatherers, their daughters occupation was rag sorter.

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Re: What is a Rag Sorter?
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 24 January 09 17:44 UTC (UK) »

hi again in the north east we have rag and bone men they used horse and carts they would take coats, woolens,shoes and scrap metal  or anything else they could get on the cart  if you had things to give them they would give you a gold fish or washing pegs now goldfish is a no no.Now they tend to come round just looking for scrap in clapped out transit vans.
regards neil

The horse and cart was much better than the old transits used today Wink
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