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martync
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"Independent, Welford, Northampton" in the IGI, which Church?
« on: Tuesday 25 October 05 13:12 UTC (UK) »
When the IGI refers to "Independent, Welford, Northampton" as the location for a wedding or Christening does anyone know if that refers to Welford Congregational Church or The Church of St Mary or another church? Quite a few of my family events are recorded there but I would not know which to visit.

Thanks,
Martyn
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Re: "Independent, Welford, Northampton" in the IGI, which Church?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 25 October 05 15:09 UTC (UK) »
I should have looked a page further back and I would have seen http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,52106.0.html which answers this question! Embarrassed
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Re: "Independent, Welford, Northampton" in the IGI, which Church?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 26 October 05 21:18 UTC (UK) »
Hi.

I lived in Welford from my birth in 1943 until I married and had never heard the expression "Independent Church" until now, but it obviously means the Congregational Chapel in West End, as compared with the Church of England Church of St. Mary the Virgin. Both are still going strong as they always have.

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Re: "Independent, Welford, Northampton" in the IGI, which Church?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 26 October 05 21:46 UTC (UK) »
Hello Rosie,

Although not a member of the Congregational Church I also had not heard this description before but also suspect it basically means non-C of E. perhaps it's luck that there are not a wide range of denominations in Welford or it could have been a long search!  Smiley I have found family that attended between 1758 and the 1850's I understand that the building was almost totally rebuilt in the early 20th century so little, if any, of the Church they attended is still there but if I come over to Welford it would still be nice to visit the present Church. Is there a Church yard or were members of the church buried elsewhere?

Best regards,
Martyn
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Re: "Independent, Welford, Northampton" in the IGI, which Church?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 27 October 05 21:52 UTC (UK) »
Hello, Martyn,

Welford has about 500 inhabitants at the present moment, I believe, and just the Church and Chapel, so, as you say, that is lucky. Everyone is buried in the same churchyard.
Glad to be of any help, Rosie
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Re: "Independent, Welford, Northampton" in the IGI, which Church?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 27 October 05 22:28 UTC (UK) »
Hello Rosie,

Thank you for that I will plan a visit in the not to distant future I may find some old relatives in the churchyard. One of the things I'm enjoying about tracing the history of my family and my wife’s family is visiting different places. Also genealogy attracts such a friendly group of people, the people taking part and the people at the records offices all want to help.

Thanks
Martyn
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Re: "Independent, Welford, Northampton" in the IGI, which Church?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 28 October 05 09:32 UTC (UK) »
If you go back a couple of hundred years many of the non-conformist churches called themselves "Independent".  A few of these were Methodist but most of them eventually decided that they were either Congregational or Baptist at the time when they joined the corresponding Union.

Most Congregational Churches became United Reform Churches when their Union merged with the Presbyterians in the 1970s.  However each of these churches is self governing and some retained their distinctive "Congregational" label.

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Re: "Independent, Welford, Northampton" in the IGI, which Church?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 09 November 05 23:45 UTC (UK) »
Hello Rosie

On a slightly different subject, my wife's family name is Harrold. Her g-grandfather John Richard Harrold and his father Richard before him were the millers at Welford Mill. The Harrold family seemed to establish a dynasty of millers in parts of Northants during the 19th century. Harrolds were millers at Welford, Whiston, Castle Ashby, Earls Barton and further south at Olney, Bucks  mainly at the same time.

I wondered whether your researches (or personal knowledge as a former resident) had found anything about Welford Mill or the millers. The Mill itself disappeared from the censuses by 1901 so I assume that it was destroyed some time before then. I know that only foundations remain today where it once stood.

Also there is something of a mystery as to why one of John's sons was sent to a children's home when his father and mother were still living. Again I wondered whether some tragedy associated with the mill had forced the family to split up. Is there perhaps a local legend about the mill?

Please let me know if you can throw any light on Welford Mill and it history.

regards

Tony
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Re: "Independent, Welford, Northampton" in the IGI, which Church?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 12 November 05 17:00 UTC (UK) »
Tony,

I have two pages on the Harrold family from a book on Welford. John Richard, born in 1839 was the only son plus four daughters - Mary, Elizabeth, Jane and Sarah. The mill was in disuse in the ordnance survey map of 1886 and completely in ruins in 1920. No info on why the son was brought up in a home.
There were Harrolds in Welford from the 17th to the 19th century, but, according to the book, with the end of the mill they vanished from Welford, leaving little behind but a cluster of gravestones in the churchyard.
Send me your address to my email and I will photocopy it for you.
Best wishes, Rosie.
P.S. The mill was where the canal now is.
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Re: "Independent, Welford, Northampton" in the IGI, which Church?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 12 November 05 18:41 UTC (UK) »
Rosie

Thanks for your prompt reply. I had no idea that there is a book on Welford. Thank you also for your kind offer. I'm not sure whether you intend to scan and send the pages in which case my email address is tony.vines@tesco.net. If you mean my postal address please reply to my email address above and I'll reply with that information .

regards

Tony
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martync
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Re: "Independent, Welford, Northampton" in the IGI, which Church?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 13 November 05 08:24 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Rosie29 on Saturday 12 November 05 17:00 UTC (UK)
I have two pages on the Harrold family from a book on Welford.

Hello Rosie,

Could you let me know the name, author & publisher of the book? Do you know if it is still in print? Although I have no where near found all me relatives, something I suppose you can never do. I have recently started to try to find more background about / around people to try and make my family history a bit more than a list of names and dates and as quite a few came from Welford I'd love to get a copy of this book.

Thanks,
Martyn
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Re: "Independent, Welford, Northampton" in the IGI, which Church?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 13 November 05 12:10 UTC (UK) »
Martyn

I'm sure that Rosemarie will reply but I did a Google search and found the following reference to "Welford the Legacy"

http://www.troubador.co.uk/book_info.asp?bookid=51

regards

Tony
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Re: "Independent, Welford, Northampton" in the IGI, which Church?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 14 November 05 17:44 UTC (UK) »
Sorry, I haven't had time to log in until now. The book called "Welford -The Legacy" is entirely photographic. Some of the photos are very interesting and cover the whole of the 20th century and even one or two before. There is nothing about the mill or the Harrolds.
The book I have is called WELFORD -  Portrait of a Northamptonshire Village. It was published in 2000 by The Welford Village Appraisal Steering Group and is the typical book on an English village. All the entries are by people connected with the village. I have photocopied several pages of interest on the Harrold family. Unfortunately, only a few copies were made and I have no idea if any are left. The person to contact is John Dunn. Go to the www.welford.org page and his address and phone number are in the section called "contacts". I live in Spain so find it difficult to help on this matter, but wish you luck. Rosie
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Re: "Independent, Welford, Northampton" in the IGI, which Church?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 15 November 05 09:12 UTC (UK) »
Hi Rosie,

Thanks for getting back, there is no need to hurry it's something I'm learning since taking up family history, although it does not come naturally to me! Smiley I've tried phoning John and left a message on his answering service. So far I've found Clays in Welford between the early 1720's to the 1850's so I'd love to get some more background information on the area.

Thanks again,
Martyn
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Re: "Independent, Welford, Northampton" in the IGI, which Church?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 15 November 05 09:16 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: TonyV on Sunday 13 November 05 12:10 UTC (UK)
Martyn

I'm sure that Rosemarie will reply but I did a Google search and found the following reference to "Welford the Legacy"

http://www.troubador.co.uk/book_info.asp?bookid=51

regards

Tony

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the information it looks to be a bit on the "modern" side for what I wanted but may still be interesting background. I have quite a few dates and names now and have got more interested in trying to find out a bit of background about peoples lives and where they lived, as well as adding a few new people when I come across them!

Thanks again,
Martyn
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