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Punctuation on website
« on: Thursday 20 October 05 20:00 BST (UK) »

I'm not sure if this should be here or on the technical board, please could a moderator move it if it's on the wrong board.

Can someone have a look at my site (My Surnames/Arthur Mark). I have used basic punctuation marks in this page but they are coming out weird on line and I don't know how th correct them. I have absolutely no idea how HTML works - I use Net Objects Fusion 7 and usually just type straight onto the page.

The problems should read as follows:

"go to war"
(to spare my mums' blushes
after 13 years'
Aston Martins'

All advice welcome

Nadine

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Re: Punctuation on website
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 20 October 05 20:16 BST (UK) »

Not a clue really if I'm honest, but thought I would check the source in both two browsers.

Although the strange characters appear in both browsers when I check the source in IE the text is normal, but in Firefox the strange characters appear. 

Now I expect somebody else will be able to give you better advice than I can but if the source appears different in two sources it would seem to me that a setting is changing the characters.

At the top of your page you have
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=utf-8">
I looked at somebody else's website and they have
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">

Could it be that if you changed your charset to windows it might help?  Be sure to have a back up of your page before you try out anything.

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Re: Punctuation on website
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 20 October 05 20:31 BST (UK) »

Thanks for looking Mary but I don't remember changing anything Huh. Also, I haven't got a clue about HTML but i will see if I can try out your suggestion later.

Thanks

Nadine
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Re: Punctuation on website
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 20 October 05 20:38 BST (UK) »

I don't mean YOU changed anything  Grin Grin Grin Grin I mean maybe the characters were changed by a setting created by your software.

Not sure I'm able to make myself clear  Sad sorry, my brain is fumbling a bit with it and I can't put it into words.

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Re: Punctuation on website
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 20 October 05 22:53 BST (UK) »

Hi Dinie

Special characters like "£%^& and foreign characters have to be specified in a special way. This is to ensure compatibility with all browsers, on all operating systems, on all computers in all languages.

Special characters are written as an ampersand followed either by a # and a decimal number  followed by a semi-colon, Or a mnemonic followed by a semi-colon.

So the ampersand itself can be represented as

&amp;

or

&#38;.

There are lists of special characters on the internet.

But in your case

" = &quot;
'  = &#39;

In fact it isn't just the strange characters which can be represented this way. ALL characters have their own code.
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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 20 October 05 23:02 BST (UK) »

Hi Nadine,

Just had a look at your site and put it into my front page editor - when I removed the " ' "[apostrophe] after both the words - mums and years - it worked fine.

Like you don't know why - just do it!!  Grin Grin

Cheers

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 21 October 05 08:45 BST (UK) »

Strange.

If I save the page to my computer and view it from there I don't get those extra characters appear.

The problem seems linked to the use of the apostrophe.  The problem appears in Firefox, IE and Opera.

Try adding this line into the page immediately after <HEAD>

Code:
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">

See if that sorts the problem.

I've also noticed that there seems to be an image misplaced.  The "Built With NetObject Fusion 7" image seems to be your "Links" link - is this image in the wrong place?

By the way, that page has 28 verification errors with the HTML whereas the "About Me" only has 18 - the CSS is fine.
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Re: Punctuation on website
« Reply #7 on: Friday 21 October 05 09:53 BST (UK) »

OK Guys

Can we slow down a bit here, as I already said -
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I have absolutely no idea how HTML works
I just type straight onto the page. Huh

The characters i was trying to use were quotation marks " " and apostrophes '. When I use my Page preview they are OK it is only when I load it to the net, I use IE, they go weird.

Zeb
I'll have a look at the HTML page and see if i can find out how and where to add that line but will probably be back for help later.
Really sorry but I haven't a clue what you mean re the image misplacement as that link is there with the site, i haven't altered it (at least I don't remember altering it Roll Eyes). As for verification errors -what are they, how do I find them and change them?

Keith
I might just do as you say and take the damn things out - problem solved (well removed) Grin Grin Grin
 
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« Reply #8 on: Friday 21 October 05 10:42 BST (UK) »

I have absolutely no idea how HTML works  I just type straight onto the page. Huh

There's a link to a pretty good tutorial on the forum for the Free Webspace.  This is the link to the particular page giving step by step instructions just to edit your page rather than starting from the very beginning to create it.
http://www.ironspider.ca/basic_html/editing.htm

When you see your own page in Notepad you will see very near the top the line I mentioned  - you can just copy and paste Zeb's line instead of the one that is there, save the notepad page and then upload it again.

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« Reply #9 on: Friday 21 October 05 15:58 BST (UK) »

Really sorry but I haven't a clue what you mean re the image misplacement as that link is there with the site, i haven't altered it (at least I don't remember altering it Roll Eyes). As for verification errors -what are they, how do I find them and change them?

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There is a mini banner advertising the program used to make the site.  Usually these don't change to a different image when you move the mouse over them but can be clicked to take you to the website of the program.  Instead yours seems to "rollover" to a button pointing to a "links" page.

Verification errors
These can be corrected by checking the various settings in the program that made the site and/or manually editing the HTML to fix the errors.  Unfortunately I can't help here as I've never heard of the program you're using.
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« Reply #10 on: Friday 21 October 05 16:50 BST (UK) »

Your original problem appears to have been caused by the way the page was created ..... it looks as if it was generated in MS Word and then imported into Fusion ..... Fusion has done its best to translate what MS Word used and hence the additional characters.

The easiest way to sort that page would be to re do it in Fusion and actually typing in the text as you want it to appear.

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There is a mini banner advertising the program used to make the site.  Usually these don't change to a different image when you move the mouse over them but can be clicked to take you to the website of the program.  Instead yours seems to "rollover" to a button pointing to a "links" page.
  No problem with that here

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Verification errors
These can be corrected by checking the various settings in the program that made the site and/or manually editing the HTML to fix the errors.  Unfortunately I can't help here as I've never heard of the program you're using.

Strictly speaking the standards body of the Web sets out various specifications which in an ideal world all web pages would follow ..... they are intended to ensure that all pages are seen as they were intended to be seen regardless of the hardware/software combination in use. There's no real need to worry about them at the moment. Concentrate on ironing out the glitches that concern you and then we can start on the verification errors.
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« Reply #11 on: Friday 21 October 05 16:58 BST (UK) »

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There is a mini banner advertising the program used to make the site.  Usually these don't change to a different image when you move the mouse over them but can be clicked to take you to the website of the program.  Instead yours seems to "rollover" to a button pointing to a "links" page.
  No problem with that here

I don't see this problem either.

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Re: Punctuation on website-Solved
« Reply #12 on: Friday 21 October 05 22:22 BST (UK) »

Thanks to everyone who gave me some suggestions regarding this. I took Falkyrn's suggestion and retyped the info into a new sheet & deleted the old one and everything seems OK now.

Still don't know what went wrong but it's all better now Grin

Once again, Thanks to all.

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