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Topic: Mystery picture found near site of Canadian plane crash in Wales...who is he? (Read 33298 times)
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RobHam
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On Remembrance Sunday 13th November, the West Glamorgan Ramblers and Gower Society are conducting a joint walk (strenuous and about 10 miles) in the Black Mountains to visit at least one of the Aircraft Wreck sites as part of there standard walks program. Not too sure if they intend taking in this particular wreck (there are three or four others).
If anyone wants more details then PM me. I have a contact phone number for the Walks leader who can give more details.
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dennford
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Caroline here is the piece that you couldn't paste, being a step brother, it may be that Ville's remaining family are called Schofield
When I turned 18, I volunteered for the
Royal Canadian Air Force, and took the
oath of allegiance with 26 other men at the
theater in Timmins, Ontario. I went to Edmonton;
Mount Joli, Quebec; attended
McGill University in pre-air crew training
for the Air Force and graduated from the
crew course. Next I went to Three Rivers,
Quebec; Montreal; and Lachine, then to
England to train on two engine Wellington
bombers, then to a heavy conversion unit
to train on Halifax four engine bombers.
When that was completed we were sent to
active duty on squadrons of Halifax
bombers. This bomber weighed 35 tons
when loaded with bombs, seven to eight
men, and 2200 gallons of 100 octane gas. I
completed 17 missions over Germany
bombing targets mostly at night. I was
posted to 415 Swordfish Squadron at Eastmoor,
Yorkshire. My mother’s brother
Roger Chartrand, from The Pas, Manitoba,
was at the same base but he was at 432
Squadron called Leaside. During these war
years there were four Scofield brothers in
uniform and on active duty over seas. My
brother Cecil is buried in Belgium. My two
step brothers were also in the service.
Henry Villeneuve was in the army, and
Jules Villeneuve was in the Air force; he is
buried in England.On January 4, 1945, while attempting to
take off for a bombing mission, we left the
runway and passed between stockpiles of
bombs. At a speed of over 100 miles per
hour, we crashed into the trees on the far
side of the air drome. At impact, I was
thrown out of the tail turret and flew
through the air and landed on a fallen tree.
I had hurt my legs and my back. I was
blown right out of my flight boots, but got
up and ran until my legs could no longer
support me. Our bomber exploded and
burned up. All of our crew got out with
only burns and minor injuries. On C
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Ford, Baines, Dixon, Platts, Peat, Proctor, Rotherforth, Dakin/Daykin, Sales, Beech, Hall, Parkin, Nightingale. ----- Harthill, Waleswood, Woodhouse-mill, Whitwell
South Yorkshire/Derbyshire/Nottinghamshire
Torremocha, Candog, Ramos, Reyes, Rodrigueus
-------Philippines --- Bohol
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gransworld
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I read this with interest and maybe try going to this site and post a message it's a long shot but worth a try. Many service men and families visit this site.
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/nshighregmuseum/
Also my husband said this would not be pilot or navagator he's not wearing wings. Could also be a brother of one of the crew.
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dennford
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Yes you're correct, I believe it is a picture taken during recruit training.
In the meantime I did find one news clip but it didn't give any more info' than we allready have.
Air Force Casualties
Ottawa, flee. 1S.-The Department of
National Defense for Air today issued
casualty list No. 1069 of the Royal Canadian
Air Force, showing next of kin of
those named from Ontario as follows;
OVERSEAS
Rilled on Active Service
ALLISON, William Joseph, FO. Montreal
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BURKE, Joseph Paul Ernest, Sgt.
Bathurst, N.B .
DUSABLON, Joseph Lionel, Sgt,- Montreal
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FARLETTE. Joseph Rodolphe, PO:
Nicholas Farlette (father),; 82 Walter
St ., Ottawa .
GROULX, Joseph Arthur. Sgt, Hull,
Que.
HAMEL, Charles. Sgt. Westmount, Que.
VILLENEUVE, Jules Robert, Sgt. Vetdun,
Que.
also had a reply as follows
We will be more than happy to add your request to the site for you.
Due to the vast amount of requests we receive however, it can take up to 3 weeks to process your request.
We will of course let you know once your details have been included.
Regards
Len Smith
(webmaster)
NOTE THAT THE SITE HAS NOW CHANGED
We suggest you enter the site through the HOME PAGE ONLY at http://www.worldwar2exraf.co.uk/
Denn
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Ford, Baines, Dixon, Platts, Peat, Proctor, Rotherforth, Dakin/Daykin, Sales, Beech, Hall, Parkin, Nightingale. ----- Harthill, Waleswood, Woodhouse-mill, Whitwell
South Yorkshire/Derbyshire/Nottinghamshire
Torremocha, Candog, Ramos, Reyes, Rodrigueus
-------Philippines --- Bohol
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dennford
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I seem to have come to a "brickwall" (only a temorary one I hope), but here are the service numbers and next of kin of the airmen
Name: BURKE, JOSEPH PAUL ERNEST
Initials: J P E
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Sergeant (W.Op./Air Gnr.)
Regiment: Royal Canadian Air Force
Age: 20
Date of Death: 20/11/1944
Service No: R/206904
Additional information: Son of William and Dorine Burke, of West Bathurst, Gloucester Co., New Brunswick. Canada.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. A. Grave 315.
Cemetery: CHESTER (BLACON) CEMETERY
Name: GROULX, JOSEPH ARTHUR EDMOND
Initials: J A E
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Sergeant (Air Gnr.)
Regiment: Royal Canadian Air Force
Age: 22
Date of Death: 20/11/1944
Service No: R/111476
Additional information: Son of Arthur and Alexandrine Groulx, of Hull, Province of Quebec, Canada.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. A Grave 401.
Cemetery: CHESTER (BLACON) CEME
Name: DU SABLON, JOSEPH LIONEL UNDERIC
Initials: J L U
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Sergeant (Air Gnr.)
Regiment: Royal Canadian Air Force
Age: 20
Date of Death: 20/11/1944
Service No: R/174038
Additional information: Son of Lionel Olivier and Mary Lea Du Sablon, of De Gaspe, Montreal, Province of Quebec, Canada.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. A. Grave 229.
Cemetery: CHESTER (BLACON) CEMETERY
Name: ALLISON, WILLIAM JOSEPH
Initials: W J
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Flight Lieutenant (Air Bomber)
Regiment: Royal Canadian Air Force
Age: 28
Date of Death: 20/11/1944
Service No: J/20861
Additional information: Son of William Earle Allison and Mary Ruth Allison, of Montreal, Province of Quebec. Canada.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. A. Grave 143.
Cemetery: CHESTER (BLACON) CEMETERY
Name: VILLENEUVE, JULES ROBERT RENE
Initials: J R R
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Sergeant (Nav.)
Regiment: Royal Canadian Air Force
Age: 22
Date of Death: 20/11/1944
Service No: R/199834
Additional information: Son of Jean B. Villeneuve and Clara Villeneuve, of Verdun, Province of Quebec. Canada.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. A. Grave 57.
Cemetery: CHESTER (BLACON) CEMETERY
Name: HAMEL, CHARLES
Initials: C
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Pilot Officer (Pilot)
Regiment: Royal Canadian Air Force
Age: 21
Date of Death: 20/11/1944
Service No: J/92169
Additional information: Son of Dr. Paul Hamel, and of Bertha Ellen Hamel, of Montreal, Province of Quebec, Canada.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. A. Grave 358.
Cemetery: CHESTER (BLACON) CEMETERY
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Ford, Baines, Dixon, Platts, Peat, Proctor, Rotherforth, Dakin/Daykin, Sales, Beech, Hall, Parkin, Nightingale. ----- Harthill, Waleswood, Woodhouse-mill, Whitwell
South Yorkshire/Derbyshire/Nottinghamshire
Torremocha, Candog, Ramos, Reyes, Rodrigueus
-------Philippines --- Bohol
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gransworld
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Great Idea I'm not a member either wish I was
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Janice M
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Hi Caroline,
The mayor of Bathurst, N.B. is going to look into this, and check with the Burke family living there, to see if they are related to 'Ernest Burke', who was killed.
He will get back to me as soon as he has any information.
Janice
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dennford
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I am hoping to get this onto several Canadian local Radio statons, will keep you all posted.
With all of you guys chasing this up I feel far more confident than I did a few posts ago - thanks to you all.
Denn
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Ford, Baines, Dixon, Platts, Peat, Proctor, Rotherforth, Dakin/Daykin, Sales, Beech, Hall, Parkin, Nightingale. ----- Harthill, Waleswood, Woodhouse-mill, Whitwell
South Yorkshire/Derbyshire/Nottinghamshire
Torremocha, Candog, Ramos, Reyes, Rodrigueus
-------Philippines --- Bohol
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Caroline_d
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All information is appreciated
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Hello
I thought I'd post some replies I've received today so you can trace the progress and will save someone else emailing etc.
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[font=Verdana]Thnak you for your email and very interesting story. I have a couple of ideas that may be of some help, are you in Canada or the UK?
Regards,
Matt Lacroix
www.bombercrew.com[/font]
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Greetings Caroline,
As Editor of the Ex-Air Gunner's Newsletter Short Bursts, I will post your request in the December Short Bursts Page.
We might get some response. The Newsletter goes out to the various Ex-AG Branches across Canada, it is also read by Veterans in the UK , Australia, New Zealand, U.S.A.
Cheers,
John and Doreene Moyles.
moyles@sasktel.net
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Janice has also been in touch with the mayor of New Brunswick and he is going to visit a family with the surname of Burke still in the area. So we are waiting for a reply to that too.
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Anges Weild - Annan - married William Blenkinsop - Annan
Jane Scott, Roxborough who married William Hope (children, Wilhelmina Amelia, Horatio Nelson Trafalga Hope!)
James Blenkinsop (born Dumfries)
James Blenkinsop (born Lancashire)
Wilhelmina Blenkisop (born Surrey) married Arthur Price (Wales)
Henry Reginald Price (Brecon, South Wales)
Evans (Coelbren, Wales)
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MJP
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Great-grandfather Private Arthur Henry Prior
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Hi all - what a great mystery! I hope you are successful.
I don't know if this would help, but the service records for these men are available from the Library and Archives of Canada. WWII records are not open for public viewing, but you can request copies from the Archives. There are some restrictions on WWII service records, but because these men have been dead for more than 20 years and they died in service, there are no access restrictions on who can view their records.
More details and an application form are available here
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/022-909.007-e.html
There is no mention of cost, but I would think there must be a charge for the photocopies.
I happen to be going to the Archives tomorrow (Friday) evening. Should I drop off a request? Those of you who have been following this know more about it than me. Would service records be useful? Would they be needed for all the men, or one or two in particular?
Let me know what you think...
Martha
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Information given in census transcriptions is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukEagle (Yorkshire), Prior (Berkshire), Buckland (Nottinghamshire), Short (Devon), Sinclair (Caithness, Scotland), Patterson (Co. Tyrone, Ireland) |
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PrueM
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Ooooh Martha, I was hoping someone would finally pick up on my idea of trying the Archives 
I for one would love you to go - I'm sure the others will feel the same, but will let them speak for themselves.
Cheers 
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
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