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Topic: Mystery picture found near site of Canadian plane crash in Wales...who is he? (Read 32628 times)
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Caroline_d
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Hello
I've attached a picture which was found near the wreckage of a Canadian WW2 Wellington plane which crashed in Wales 20/11/1944. The crew were from the Canadian Air Force and none of the crew survived, their names are:
PILOT Sgt CHARLES HAMEL
NAVIGATOR Sgt JULES ROBERT RENE VILLENEUVE
BOMB AIMER F/Off WILLIAM JOSEPH ALLISON
W/Op/AIR GUNNER Sgt JOSEPH PAUL ERNEST BURKE
AIR GUNNER Sgt ARTHUR GROUIX
AIR GUNNER Sgt GERARD DUSABLON
There are some details on the following local web site but I'm not sure of the copywright laws so I've not posted the pictures from it. One shows a memorial which was built by the locals with the names of the crew.
http://www.clwb-cerdded-ystalyfera.i12.com/pages/mf509.htm
My grandfather was in his early 20's when the crash happened and lived a village called Ynyswen, near Abercrave, which is near the site of the crash. A few days after the crash he hiked up the mountains to take a look and he found a picture near the wreckage of a young man.
At the time he didn't know who it belonged to or even how to find out. He thought it might have been a picture of one of the crew members or another family member of one of the crew.
The picture shows the young man in uniform but I have no idea what regiment etc he is from. I was hoping that someone here could identify the man or the uniform.
I have tried to find information on the crew members but the only one which has a familiar name is Jules Villeneuve. There is a large site showing all family members and details of his line and stating that he died in a plane crash in Wales so I know that I've found the right Villeneuve, but I've had no luck on the others. I was hoping if someone in the Villeneuve family could confirm if it was a relative or not then I could eliminate one name. I've emailed the site to see if they have any connections or have any further details but haven't received replies.
If anyone can identify the uniform and the young man in the picture, I would be grateful if you could let me know. My grandfather has heard of the internet and wondered if it was now time to find anyone out there with any information!
If there are any family members out there who would like the picture returned I will be more than happy to do so and end a 60 year old mystery to find the identity of the man in the picture.
Sorry this is so long, I just didn't want to miss anything out.
Kind regards
Caroline
WHEN I ORIGINALLY POSTED THIS, I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THE AMAZING RESPONSE I HAVE HAD FROM ALL IN ROOTSCHAT AND BEYOND. THE CREW HAVE NOW BEEN IDENTIFIED...IF YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ EVERYTHING..JUST SKIP TO POSTING 206, THEY HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED. BUT WE ARE STILL HOPING FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ON THE MAN IN THE PHOTOGRAPH
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« Last Edit: Monday 12 December 05 22:32 GMT (UK) by Caroline_d »
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Anges Weild - Annan - married William Blenkinsop - Annan
Jane Scott, Roxborough who married William Hope (children, Wilhelmina Amelia, Horatio Nelson Trafalga Hope!)
James Blenkinsop (born Dumfries)
James Blenkinsop (born Lancashire)
Wilhelmina Blenkisop (born Surrey) married Arthur Price (Wales)
Henry Reginald Price (Brecon, South Wales)
Evans (Coelbren, Wales)
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PrueM
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Hi Caroline,
I'm afraid I can't help with the young man's identity, but I just wanted to say it's a wonderful, thoughtful thing you and your grandfather are doing, trying to find out who this fellow is. I hope you find out who he belongs to, and that they get some pleasure from knowing that his picture has been kept safe all these years, and that someone cared enough to try to discover who he was.
Makes me all teary, that does  
Good luck! I am going to watch this thread and see what happens 
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) BIGG (Kent) BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) BRISBANE (Fife) DANKS (STS) DOBSON (BRK) FRANCIS (ESS) GOODE (HAM) HAYNES (Cork) INGRAM (MDX, SOM) LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) MORRISH (LND) NANCARROW (CON) OGILVIE (Moray, LND) STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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liverpool annie
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Prue !
Any chance you can do something with the photo? that would be nice - for Caroline to pass on both!
Annie
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loo
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The Royal Canadian Legion used to (and perhaps still does) produce a magazine, the name of which escapes me at the moment (The Last Post, is it?). They typically would have listings of people trying to find other people, and I'm betting they would be more than happy to run this photo with the info in an effort to locate the person in question.
Also the Canadian War Museum is recently opened in Ottawa and may be able to help.
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ARMSTRONG - Castleton Scot, Westminster Twp
BARFIELD - Nailsea & NL
BRAKE - Nailsea
BURIATTE
CANDY - M'sex, Deptford
CLIFFORD - Maidstone
DURE(E) - France, Devon, Canada
HALLS - Chigwell
KREIN
LEOPOLD - Hanover, London
LATTIMER - lightermen
MAXWELL - lightermen
MEYER - Lauenstein
MURRAY - Scot.borders
STEWART - Chelsea; Reach
SWANICK - Co.Mayo & Roscommon; Ontario
WEST - Rochester & Maidstone
WILLIS - Wilts, Berks, Hants, London
WOODHOUSE - Bristol, London
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dennford
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Just a bit of a start, these were only boys! what a waste.
Denn
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Ford, Baines, Dixon, Platts, Peat, Proctor, Rotherforth, Dakin/Daykin, Sales, Beech, Hall, Parkin, Nightingale. ----- Harthill, Waleswood, Woodhouse-mill, Whitwell
South Yorkshire/Derbyshire/Nottinghamshire
Torremocha, Candog, Ramos, Reyes, Rodrigueus
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liverpool annie
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Denn!
It seems like I say that - over and over - they are SO young !
you're right - what a waste !
So many of them too!
Annie
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dennford
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A bit more
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Ford, Baines, Dixon, Platts, Peat, Proctor, Rotherforth, Dakin/Daykin, Sales, Beech, Hall, Parkin, Nightingale. ----- Harthill, Waleswood, Woodhouse-mill, Whitwell
South Yorkshire/Derbyshire/Nottinghamshire
Torremocha, Candog, Ramos, Reyes, Rodrigueus
-------Philippines --- Bohol
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PrueM
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Annie - since you asked so nicely I'll have a play with it.
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Paper and Photograph Conservator
I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) BIGG (Kent) BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) BRISBANE (Fife) DANKS (STS) DOBSON (BRK) FRANCIS (ESS) GOODE (HAM) HAYNES (Cork) INGRAM (MDX, SOM) LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) MORRISH (LND) NANCARROW (CON) OGILVIE (Moray, LND) STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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dennford
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Sure I made his right jawline too hollow
Denn
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Ford, Baines, Dixon, Platts, Peat, Proctor, Rotherforth, Dakin/Daykin, Sales, Beech, Hall, Parkin, Nightingale. ----- Harthill, Waleswood, Woodhouse-mill, Whitwell
South Yorkshire/Derbyshire/Nottinghamshire
Torremocha, Candog, Ramos, Reyes, Rodrigueus
-------Philippines --- Bohol
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