jacko-to
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Just found out that one of my relatives died 1924 in "Ecclesston Mental Hospital" - they did have lovely terminology in those days.
Lokking at the liverpool familia site for hospital records it looks like permission has to be sought from the NHS trust that owns the records before the Library will look them up.
Would anyone know if I still have to get permission if the person has died?
Thanks
Angie
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celia
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Hello Angie
if i was you i would check with the library that holds the records.To confirm that,as far as i know there are a lot of records not available to the public after a certain year.Yours might come after that year,only certain establishments can obtain them. If you don't ask you wont know 
Celia
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jacko-to
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Thanks Celia,
I'll get on it next week.
Angie
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goggy
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JACKO 2..
Not meaning to be irreverent,you will need the patience of a Saint,plus a triple endorsement from J.C himself,but I do believe it has been done!
Goggy. 
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jacko-to
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Thanks Goggy,
I am fully instilled with confirdence 
Anyone out there got a letter from the Holy Ghost?
Is it really that bad?
Still I've been at this family for three years, still a novice but good things come to those who wait
Angie
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goggy
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Jacko-to,I'm a learner myself Angie,my search started with a person who was in a mental home,Winwick,tried some addresses given on this site;seem's there is a 100 yr block on the info,and even if you can prove your kinship, getting through to those who can release it is a job for a Genius! Which I am not,however,I get lost in most red tape territories so give it a go.
Lot's of luck,Goggy.
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anniej
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The original records for Rainhill are at Liverpool Central Library. You require a reader ticket to access them ( Free but take 2 proofs of ID one with your address) and those under 100 years old require proof of identity to access them. They are well worth looking at as they are so detailed. The 1890 - 1900 ones even have before and after photographs. Give yourself plenty of time as they it takes the staff quite a while to access them as they are in a remote part of the archives.
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anniej
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Forgot to mention the 100 year restriction applies to the date when admitted. The ancestor I was checking died there in 1917 but was admitted 1887 so we had no problems in accessing the records. If your relative was admitted before 1906 you will have no problems. I don't know if you have done any research into the hospital but there were two parts. The later addition was called the annex and that was for the "No hopers". Once transferred there they would be there for life. If you have accessed the information from the census it would indicate this.
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animet
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I had an Ancestor at Rainhill (GG Grandfather). A cousin of mine went there and got to see all of the original records and made copies of them all - including handwritten notes and a photo. He was admitted there in the 1880's
Anita
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anniej
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We were not allowed to photocopy but were allowed to take digital photos. Some of the older volumes are quite fragile.
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Doedoe
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my mother died in Rainhill Hospital in 1978 so I suppose I stand no chance
Doreen 
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anniej
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Ring the library in Liverpool and ask. I have the number if you don't. As it is your mother they may take your birth certificate as evidence. When I was there two weeks ago we had a bit of a delay because the lift to the archives broke down and while we were waiting the librarian explained to us about viewing the closed records. I think you must prearrange to visit because they have the records ready with all but your designated record covered and you can only look at that page.
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Valda
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The hundred year ruling no longer applies to records found in record offices (as opposed to government records found in The National Archives) as the Freedom of Information Act now allows for people to request access to such records. Record Offices will consider every request on their own merits. Older records that were closer to the hundred year ruling anyone can now see.
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Valda
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