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Topic: Sharman 1841, 1851 Baslow, Calver, Bakewell (Read 105 times)
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jean Sandra
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Hi,
would it be possible for someone to look up Mary Sharman in the 1841 and 1851 census?
She was born in Bubnell about 1810 although the place of birth may say Baslow or Bakewell.
She married a Joshua Read of Stockport so may be listed under his name.
I would love to know if there were any other Sharmans, except Thomas born about 1800, living in calver, Bakewell, Baslow who were born before 1820 and living in the area at the 1841 and 1851 census.
Regards
Jean Sandra
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Lancashire:
Holland, Rothwell, Speake, Mills, Byrne, Healey, Cowburn, Thorpe,
Wolstencroft, Boulton, Holt
Cheshire:
Daniel, Eccles, Challenor,Holt, Swift, Boulton, Thorniley, Sharman, Wilson, Hindley,
Dawson
Derbyshire:
Sharman, Cocker, Coates, Swift, Thorniley
Cornwall
Stephens, Bate, Cock
Leicestershire
Dawson
Worcestershire
Mills, Slater, Dukes
Berkshire
Slater
Ireland
Byrne
Staffordshire
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sunflower
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Hi
The following are from the 1851 census index
Piece 2149 - 304 184 (2149 covers Calver, Baslow and Bakewell)
Thomas Sharman aged 53
Anne Sharman 54
Thomas 20
Rebecca 15
Piece 2149 101 74
John 28
Jane 25
Ann 1
George 2 mths
Piece 2149-101 70
George 24
Sarah 24
Elizabeth 2
Piece 2149 297 137
Mary 19
There is no sign of a Joshua Read or Mary that age fits with your details
Hope this helps a bit
Sunflower
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jean Sandra
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Hi,
many thanks for your help.
Jean Sandra
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Lancashire:
Holland, Rothwell, Speake, Mills, Byrne, Healey, Cowburn, Thorpe,
Wolstencroft, Boulton, Holt
Cheshire:
Daniel, Eccles, Challenor,Holt, Swift, Boulton, Thorniley, Sharman, Wilson, Hindley,
Dawson
Derbyshire:
Sharman, Cocker, Coates, Swift, Thorniley
Cornwall
Stephens, Bate, Cock
Leicestershire
Dawson
Worcestershire
Mills, Slater, Dukes
Berkshire
Slater
Ireland
Byrne
Staffordshire
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Bryant
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Grandfather Bryant 1897
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jean Sandra
Their are 37 Sharman's living in Derbyshire in 1841 including
Thomas 40 & Ann 40 + children Thomas, Mary, Rebecca and a William Froggatt aged 11 who was staying with them..........at Bubnell...183/7 which you appear to know about............all born in County
their is another Thos aged 40 at North Wingfield........196/12............. born in County
At Calver, Bakewell their is a
John Sharman 20 ag lab Y
183/9
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Bubnell, Bakewell.............183/7 same page as Thos and Ann
George Sharman 15 M.S Y
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Regards
Bryant
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Researching names BRYANT (Camberwell), PASTERFIELD (Essex and all), RAY (Holborn/Islington areas back to Brentford), POWELL (Glouc & beyond?) Fletcher (Glouc into Warwickshie into Lancs?), BUCKLEY (Chatham area), Watson (Chatham area). Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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jean Sandra
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Hi Bryant,
many thanks for your help.
My problem is that Thomas Sharman who you found in Bubnell in 1841 was staying with this Mary Read in 1861. He was listed as a visitor.
Thomas's grandson George, who is the son of John Sharman who you found in Calver in 1841, was staying with the same Mary Read in 1871. On the census return he was listed as nephew.
Mary Read was too old to be the daughter of Thomas Sharman but could be a sister I don't know about.
I just can't trace her or her marriage.
Regards
Jean Sandra
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Lancashire:
Holland, Rothwell, Speake, Mills, Byrne, Healey, Cowburn, Thorpe,
Wolstencroft, Boulton, Holt
Cheshire:
Daniel, Eccles, Challenor,Holt, Swift, Boulton, Thorniley, Sharman, Wilson, Hindley,
Dawson
Derbyshire:
Sharman, Cocker, Coates, Swift, Thorniley
Cornwall
Stephens, Bate, Cock
Leicestershire
Dawson
Worcestershire
Mills, Slater, Dukes
Berkshire
Slater
Ireland
Byrne
Staffordshire
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Bryant
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Sandra
Lets see if we can condense this a little bit..........in 1841
1841 census
BUBNELL, BAKEWELL, DERBYSHIRE
THOMAS SHARMAN 40 AG LAB Y
ANN " 40 Y
THOMAS " 10 Y
MARY " 8 Y
RICHARD " 5 Y
WILLIAM FROGGATT 11 Y
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1841 AS ABOVE
GEORGE SHARMAN 15 M.S Y
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1841 CALVER, BAKEWELL, DERBYSHIRE
JOHN SHARMAN 20 AG LAB Y---------------------
1851 census
BUBNELL, BAKEWELL, DERBYSHIRE (or somewhere round it)
THOMAS SHARMAN 53 AG LAB Y
ANN " 54 Y
THOMAS " 20 Y
REBECCA " 15 Y
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1851
JOHN SHARMAN 28
JANE " 25
ANN " 1
GEORGE " 2 months
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1851
MARY SHARMAN 19
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Question........... how do you know that George is the son of John, only I took the 1851 info from Sunflower's reply!
It is always better to display the info you have on your post.......for example..I see no mention of Mary Read's age within the post!
Why can't Mary Read be Mary Sharman as seen in 1841 & 1851? that would make Mary the Aunt of George......providing she was head of household in 1871
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Researching names BRYANT (Camberwell), PASTERFIELD (Essex and all), RAY (Holborn/Islington areas back to Brentford), POWELL (Glouc & beyond?) Fletcher (Glouc into Warwickshie into Lancs?), BUCKLEY (Chatham area), Watson (Chatham area). Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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jean Sandra
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Hi Bryant,
Firstly George was with John and his wife Jane Sharman in the 1851 census aged 2 months and the 1861 census when he was 10. John, Jane and George lived in Calver.
In 1871 he was in Adswood Cheadle with Mary aged 62 and Joshua Read aged 57. Mary was born in Bubnell and George in Calver. George was down as her nephew. from this census Mary would have been born around 1809.
In 1871 Mary the daughter of Thomas Sharman (Grandfather of George and father of John) would have only been 38 years old. Mary Read was 62. Both however would have been born in Bubnell.
Bubnell is a tiny hamlet next to Baslow which as far as I can discover didn't have many Sharman families. I just put two and two together and presumed that Mary could have been the sister of Thomas. If she had been the sister of George's Mother then she would have been born in St Austell in Cornwall not Bubnell.
Of course it could have been Joshua who was George's uncle but he was born in Stockport and the Bubnell connection was important.
Similarly in the 1861 census Thomas Sharman of Bubnell was staying with Joshua and Mary Read. He was called a visitor and no family relationship was given. In that census Thomas was 62 and Mary Read 52. Both were born in Bubnell.
It all leads to them being brother and sister but I have no proof.
Regards
Jean Sandra
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Lancashire:
Holland, Rothwell, Speake, Mills, Byrne, Healey, Cowburn, Thorpe,
Wolstencroft, Boulton, Holt
Cheshire:
Daniel, Eccles, Challenor,Holt, Swift, Boulton, Thorniley, Sharman, Wilson, Hindley,
Dawson
Derbyshire:
Sharman, Cocker, Coates, Swift, Thorniley
Cornwall
Stephens, Bate, Cock
Leicestershire
Dawson
Worcestershire
Mills, Slater, Dukes
Berkshire
Slater
Ireland
Byrne
Staffordshire
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