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help re Hughes and Williams Ffestiniog
« on: Thursday 03 November 05 23:26 GMT (UK) »
Hello everyone,
I am posting this in the hope that someone out there may have some connections!
Marriage:
1.5.1883 Ffestioniog - William Hughes, aged 20 yrs and Jane Williams aged 21 yrs.
The couple had a son Robert in 1884 and then emigrated to USA. 
The problem is that Jane's father is given as William Williams on her death certificate in 1948; but as Robert Williams deceased in 1883 on her marriage.
Witnesses to marriage: Catherine Williams and William Williams. We have William Hughes and family in census and are sure about him.
Jane's address at marriage is Market Square, Ffestiniog. Can't find her at this address in 1881 - but she may be a servant  (there are two who fit) and in other censuses I can't find a Robert (father)  to match Jane (daughter). I can find an Ellis Williams married to a Cathrine with children including Jane (age would fit) and a Cathrine but not sure - wonder if I'm going on a wild goose chase then...
Can anyone advise/ help or hopefully identify please?
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Re: help re Hughes and Williams Ffestiniog
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 03 November 05 23:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi

What was the father's occupation? Both names.

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Re: help re Hughes and Williams Ffestiniog
« Reply #2 on: Friday 04 November 05 00:03 GMT (UK) »
Robert Hughes was a tea dealer (I got this from a contact who has the marriage certificate) but I interpreted it as tin dealer - lived High Street Ffestiniog - in 1891 his widow Laura was a stocking knitter.
Robert (?) Williams was a slate quarryman.
Thanks for your enquiry
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Re: help re Hughes and Williams Ffestiniog
« Reply #3 on: Friday 04 November 05 14:38 GMT (UK) »
Hello again

I was hoping for something other than a slate quarryman to aid identification! I assume that the job refers to both names - ie. William and Robert.

The best I have found looking in the 1871 census for Jane's either born or living in Festiniog is:

Blaenycwm,Llanfrothen

William W         37    Quarryman
Jane                 32
Elizabeth          12
Jane                   9
Catherine           7    all above born Festiniog
Mary                   4    born Llanfrothen
Anne                  2          do

At least this provides a witness.

I also found a Jane A. Williams born 1864 daughter of Robert P. Williams Quarry agent but this seems less likely.

Another born 1862 with the father Robert- shopkeeper.

This excludes the many Jane W born 1861-1863 in Merionethshire not living in or born in Festiniog. Do you have any evidence where she was born?

I have also looked at the William R Williams without success.

Presumably the death certificate was in America as of course we do not show this in the UK. We do show the informant however.

Strangely I had an ancestor from Dolwyddelan (up the road) who was known as William Williams at first and then acquired Robert as a middle name - I think on the death of his brother Robert. Not quite the same I know and some years too late.

If you have any idea where she was born you are probably as well throwing yourself on the mercy of the local registrar to find the birth.

If you can provide any other information please come back to me.

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Re: help re Hughes and Williams Ffestiniog
« Reply #4 on: Friday 04 November 05 14:57 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again for your trouble. Jane's father who is Robert on the marriage certificate although deceased has the occupation of quarryman.
My contact in USA (I am in England) has the certificate. I'm just helping out.  Her death certificate said William.
We have found her husband's family in Ffestiniog and as the marriage took place there I think that's how we are going down that road!
I do realise with hindsight that she might have come into Ffestiniog as a servant !
Never mind will continue - thanks for the lead will have a look at that.
Heywood
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Re: help re Hughes and Williams Ffestiniog
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 19 January 06 20:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi- I am writing again re the marriage between William Hughes and Jane Williams 1st May 1883.
Details above but briefly: William a slate quarrier, father Robert a tea dealer.
Jane, servant in Festiniog  so we do not know where she was born- father Robert Williams deceased- slate quarrier.
I feel a bit daft asking this but we have their marriage certificate- they were married at the Registry Office, Festiniog.
Did many people marry at the Office rather than chapel or church?
Thanks for your patience
Heywood
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Re: help re Hughes and Williams Ffestiniog
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 09 February 06 22:58 GMT (UK) »
sorry for the delay- I have been on holiday.

I suppose the best person to ask is the registrar. In my experience usually chapel/church but it is only a small sample

Peter
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Re: help re Hughes and Williams Ffestiniog
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 09 February 06 23:06 GMT (UK) »
Peter
I can't believe this- I just had this topic open wondering if I dare post again when I got notification of your posting!!
Still searching - the certificate says marriage solemnized at Register Office so i suppose that's where they were married!
I am just searching Ancestry and have found the two girls who might be Jane- one is a general servant at the home of Richard Lloyd, quarry agent, Salem Cottage Festiniog and the other is a housemaid at  the home of William Davies of Caerblaidd, (?)  Festiniog.
As I said previously her address was Market Square on her marriage.
Thanks for your interest
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