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« on: Friday 04 November 05 05:26 GMT (UK) »

seeking any census information on the above families looking for a connection between them in with child Arthur surname possibly McDonald born app 1877 Huh
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« Reply #1 on: Saturday 19 November 05 19:41 GMT (UK) »

IGI has a marriage between Alfred Woodbridge and Ellen Roadknight at St Mary, Aylesbury, 24 Dec 1872.

It also records 2 of their children: Albert Edward Woodbridge, chr. Aylesbury 23 Feb 1873, and Alfred George Woodbridge, chr. Aylesbury 29 May 1874.

I don't know if this is the link you're looking for, but I'm struggling to find the family on the censuses...  There's an Alfred Woodbridge b. Aylesbury c1850 on the 1851/61/71 censuses, but I can't find him after that, and I can't find the children at all!  Huh

Bearing in mind that we only have christening dates for the children, I think the Ellen Woodbridge who died in Aylesbury Sep Q 1873 aged 23 is their mother.  Cry

No luck so far with an Arthur McDonald - there are lots of possibles, but there's nor enough to go on.  Do you have any other info which might help?

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Re: Woodbridge/Roadnight/McDonald
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 20 November 05 00:51 GMT (UK) »

I have all the details of Alfred & Ellen they arrived in Australia on 9th. October 1874 on the ship Great Queensland along with the two children Albert Edward & Alfred George.
Arthur McDonald was raised by Alfred & Ellen after his arrival in Victoria in 1881 as noted on his death certificate (68 years in Victoria) 1949 .
His age is unclear but it is believed he was born abt. 1878 .
From information passed down it is believed he was born in England and there is some connection with the Woodbridge/Roadnight family , just what we are not sure but for him to be sent? to Australia and be raised by Alfred & Ellen it seems logical.
He spent some time in England at the Bethnal Green Military hospital being set there from Gallipoli .
During this time he went AWL for 68 days and we believe during this time went to visit his birth parent or parents only to be rejected and told he was not wanted here.
I have not been able as yet to find a passenger list with his arrival in Australia that I can confirm as acurate but there are a number of possible ships that he could have been a passenger on including The Durham, Somersetshire,Yamora,Potosi & Cuzco.
The difficulty is in not being sure of the port of arrival as with Alfred & Ellen they arrived in Queensland and then travelled to Victoria settling in Brunswick.
Also in the births I have found several Arthur McDonald born from 1876-1878
in freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl in Salford,Warrington,Manchester,Westminster,Prestwitch & Shoreditch that are possible fits with his age of app. 4  on arrival in Victoria.
I understand that my search is not an easy one and somewhat hampered by my lack of knowledge as to where to find information and I greatly appreciate the assistance received from all interested persons that have taken the time to help.
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Re: Woodbridge/Roadnight/McDonald
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 26 November 05 16:36 GMT (UK) »

Beau

The Arthur McDONALDs who had births registered in Salford, Manchester & Shoreditch all appear on the 1881 census with their respective families at least - Does that mean they can be rulled out?  I do not think it would be worth ordering any certificates for now - as apart from the expense -  'McDONALD' may not be his actual birth name!

I am trying to find out whether Census applied to ships passengers & crew...he must be listed somewhere?  Were there any census over there - that might give a place of birth - 1891 perhaps? 

You may like to contact: jonathan.evans@bartsandthelondon.nhs.uk

He is the archivist who would have any info for 'Arthur WOODBRIDGE' [that was his name in the First World War?] when he was in Bethnal Green Military Hospital...can you tell him the year Arthur went AWOL etc from the Military Hospital - there may be something buried in their archives that may help?

Well, it is worth trying any avenue at this point...

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Ps: When did Arthur go AWOL?
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Re: Woodbridge/Roadnight/McDonald
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 26 November 05 16:54 GMT (UK) »

   Cheesy  Have you had a look in Berkshire?
        There are old Roadnight / Woodbridge famillies in Maidenhead.

      REG DIST  Cookham - to the north and Bray - to the south.

       This was where the first railway to the West country, ended (Taplow).
      Aylesbury and Wycombe are not far away.   Smiley
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Re: Woodbridge/Roadnight/McDonald
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 26 November 05 17:09 GMT (UK) »

Ps:

Was Arthur court-martiallied for going AWOL.  I noticed there is an Arthur WOODBRIDGE who was in 1917 in the Australian National Archives...

http://www.naa.gov.au/

Getting a link to the ROADNIGHTs/WOODBRIDGEs via McDONALD would be great - but there doesnt appear to be a marriage for McDONALD to either a ROADNIGHT or WOODBRIDGE...

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 27 November 05 00:14 GMT (UK) »

Thank you all for your interest, I have emailed Jonathan Evans  and look forward to his response.
Arthur was at Bethnal Green from September 1915 to I believe March 1916
and it was during this period that he went AWL for 68 days.
I believe that my most hopeful source of information may be via a Woodbridge/Roadnight or McDonald family member with some recollection of this possibly by a passed down story of a child having been given up not necessarily by choice.
If as I believe he did in fact try to contact his mother or father only to be turned away this may have been by a grandparent .
This event was only app. 37 years after his birth.
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Re: Woodbridge/Roadnight/McDonald
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 27 November 05 00:26 GMT (UK) »

Is this any use:

1899/1901 Federal referendum fiche for Victoria.

If you give me the full details I will see what I can find.  Also, do you
want me to follow through the Victorian deaths (to 1985), Wills and inquests
for him/his family/his adopted family.


http://surnamesupersearch.com/passengers/victoriashipslists.htm

Follow the prompts and you might get lucky.  It is for UNASSISTED
passengers, but I am not sure how complete it is.
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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 27 November 05 00:52 GMT (UK) »

Cathy, I have his death cert. and that confirms him as being in Victoria  68 years. died 17 june 1949 at heidelberg repat hospital cert. 6275  so arrival in Victoria 1881 parents listed as Alfred & Ellen Woodbridge
There is no record of him as previous issue on the birth cert's. of subsequent children to Aflfred & Ellen. they had 15 children in total the first 2 were born in England and arrived with them in 1874
Alfred died 30 th. August 1930 and Ellen 31st. March 1937
I have searched the Victorian ships list passengers without result however he may have arrived in another state as did Alf & Ellen and my searches in this regard have also no result , I have however not ruled this out as a source and keep searching.
I had not looked at the 1889/1901 federal referendum not knowing where to look also in wills and inquests or adoption  again not knowing how to find.
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Re: Woodbridge/Roadnight/McDonald
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 01 December 05 05:12 GMT (UK) »

Beau, please try the:

BUCKS-L-request@rootsweb.com

[with the single word subscribe in the message subject and body].
 
More publicity the better!?

And leave a message on: http://www.missing-you.net/

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Am trying to think of all places where it may help to try

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Re: Woodbridge/Roadnight/McDonald
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 01 December 05 17:00 GMT (UK) »

Hi Beau

I'm not sure if this will be any help to you finding Aurthur but, there is another marriage on the IGI for Alfred Woodbridge to a Jane Elizabeth Aldridge, 24th Oct 1870 also in St Marys Aylesbury.

On Free BMD there is a death recorded for a Jane Elizabeth Woodbridge, June Qtr 1871 aged 21.

I've had a look on the index for 1871 on the National Archives & there does seem to be a Jane & Alfred Woodbridge in Bucks. Unfortunately I don't have access to the image or else I would have made sure they were together.

I do have the Bucks 1851 & there is only one Alfred Woodbridge showing on that census.

Of course, this all may be coincidentall & have nothing to do with Arthur but here's hoping.

Good luck with your search.

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« Reply #11 on: Friday 02 December 05 09:12 GMT (UK) »

Maddie,
Jane Elizabeth Aldridge was Alfreds first wife.
They were married on 24th october 1870
I understand that she died in childbirth.
I have not been able to find out if the child survived
Alfred married Ellen Selinda Roadnight on 24th. december 1872 and she died on 31st. march 1937 Alfred died 30th. august 1930
both in Brunswick Victoria Australia
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« Reply #12 on: Friday 02 December 05 17:21 GMT (UK) »

Hi Beau

That's so sad, they didn't have very long together.

I don't suppose there is any chance that Arthur is the child from that marriage. !!

Have you found Arthur's war record in the NAA. That might give a clue to where he was born & the date. Would he have been known as Woodbridge or McDonald. ??

Funny thing, I have recently found, up untill now, unknown relatives of my family in Donvale, I believe that is quite near Brunswick. !!

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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 03 December 05 23:25 GMT (UK) »

[img][img]Maddie,
not likely that he could be the child from Jane this would make him to old
Donvale not that far from Brunswick say 20 miles
Arthur's WW1 war record has him as Woodbridge with next of kin his wife Annie
Boer war record has Alfred & Ellen remember proof of age and birth certs not required then I have records and am currently awaiting pay records I also have his discharge certs from both wars
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Re: Woodbridge/Roadnight/McDonald
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 04 December 05 00:55 GMT (UK) »

Beau

Please keep me posted on what you find as it may help here - Did I tell you about the 'missing you' site here in the UK?  It is a free site and may help you get a link:

http://www.missing-you.net/

I found someones birth mother through the above site so it is worth using...I am trying to find anything that may help at the moment and am sure something will turn up - with any luck

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