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Topic: "RIDGWAY GATES WESLEYAN, BOLTON in 1803, bapt. place of my gt-gt-gt-grandpa (Read 505 times)
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Keith Sherwood
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Hi, Everyone,
Could someone please tell me exactly where might have been the baptism place of my 3-times gt-grandfather James KERSHAW, who according to a database of Wesleyan preachers was baptised on Christmas Day 1803 at Ridgway Gates Wesleyan Bolton.
Is this a surviving Methodist chapel, or does any local literature deal with this place...?
Very best wishes,
keith
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karlowe1959
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Hi Keith,
Ridgeway Gates still exists in Bolton Town Centre and the Victoria Hall is the oldest building there at the moment, this is a church and is still used today, it may be one and the same. I have some local history books on Bolton I will look through for you and if no joy will pop into the local archives next time I am in town. Just recovering from a sore throat at the moment so give me a few days.
Karen
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karlowe1959
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Hi Keith,
Karen again, if you type in Victoria Hall Bolton on yahoo search engine, it gives you a brief history and in 1932, the original wesleyan chapel was there and demolised, and victoria hall was built in its place.
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Keith Sherwood
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Hi Annie and Karlowe,
Thanks so much for all that detail. What a shame they knocked the old chapel down in 1932 - guess I got my facts together 73 years too late to go and have a gaze at it.
This whole Methodist ministry thing is rather like a giant magical mystery tour; they did travel about so much in the 18thC, and I'm even making enquiries now on the Armagh, N.Ireland website for more information about a place there they started preaching at in 1750...
Very best wishes,
keith
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Keith Sherwood
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Karlowe,
This question has just occurred to me, but what was the function of Victoria Hall when it was built in 1932? I've seen a modern photo of its grand entrance, but was it built and used as either a Methodist or United Reformed Chapel then...?
Very best wishes,
Keith
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karlowe1959
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Hi Keith,
From what I can gather it has always been a church, I'll ask in the library next time I go. The local paper "The Bolton Evening News "may be able to help, they have a good archive section with photos and do a local history article called "Looking Back " every evening, in a section of the paper. Frank Elson is the chap to ask for, he writes the articles, a lot of which are from readers requests, he can be contacted at felson@boltoneveningnews.co.uk. Another useful website may be www.boltoneveningnews.co.uk/bygone
regards Karlowe
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Keith Sherwood
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Karlowe,
This is all extremely helpful to me, and I'll definitely contact Frank Elson, as you suggest...
Very many thanks,
Keith
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Keith Sherwood
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Hi again, Everyone,
Have just downloaded a page of baptisms from 1803-1804 which include my 3-times-gt-grandfather and his brother (at the very top of the page), followed by 21 other entries, the last 12 of which are baptisms conducted by their father John KERSHAW.
So, I was wondering if anyone knew exactly when this Chapel opened, whether in fact John KERSHAW might have been the first Methodist Minister there, with the first two baptisms being his own two sons...
Very best wishes,
keith
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skb
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According to the GENUKI Church database, Ridgway Gates was founded in 1776.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/023v/
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Byers (Salford & London) Stringfellow (Salford & Chorley) Holmes (Manchester & Birmingham) Goulding/Golden (Birmingham & Lincolnshire) Bassett (Manchester & Salford) Child (Lincolnshire) Belshaw (Salford) Hallsworth (Eccles & Salford) Vernon (Bury) Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Keith Sherwood
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Thanks very much for that, Skb!
keith
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Martin Briscoe
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Karlowe,
This question has just occurred to me, but what was the function of Victoria Hall when it was built in 1932? I've seen a modern photo of its grand entrance, but was it built and used as either a Methodist or United Reformed Chapel then...?
Very best wishes,
Keith
According to Pevsner
Victoria Hall
A Wesleyan Mission by Bradshaw & Gass 1898-1900
The Forward movement at the end of the C19 sought to reach the disaffected with "Central Halls" like this, unchurchy, open all the time, with a social as wellas a religious message.
... paid for by Thomas Walker,a tanner.
The entrance tower, all bright red terracotta and brick, breaks through the then recently completed block of Victoria Buildings
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The extension on the S side, of 1932, is on the site of the Ridgeway Gates chapel of 1776
Martin Briscoe
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A derelict building at Ridgeway Gates
PPS
Pictures of Victoria Hall
Description of Victoria Hall
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BRISCOE - Bolton, Heaton Norris, Rochdale, Oldham, Chadderton, Blackburn
POUNDER - Middleton Tyas, Kirkbymoorside, Stokesley, Lambeth, Bolton, Newcastle on Tyne, Leeds
HAMMOND - Quebec, Laverton, Masham, Grantley
SWALES - Laverton, Masham
O'Shea - Quebec
PARRY - Caerhun, Deiniolen, Clwt y Bont, Brynrefail, Tal y Sarn, Brynrefail, Bethesda
EVANS - Llanfihangel Bryn Pabuan, Maesmynis, Dowlais, Stockton on Tees, Hartlepool, Trealaw
HARVEY - Trentham, Sheriffhales, Llanfyllin, Llanferres, Minera
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Keith Sherwood
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Annie,
Just keeping an eye on things for me, leaning on that brush of yours...thanks for that, all baptisms at the moment in the Nonconformist achives, though one I got yesterday for Bethnal Green seems to be a birth in 1822 registered in 1830, no mention of baptising at all...
And Martin, thanks so much for those pictures taken of Bolton. Somewhere amongst my PM's there's one sent by a Rootschatter that shows the actual interior of the Ridgway Gates, if I remember correctly. Must search it out now, (like several of the threads I've started, this one has lain dormant for nearly 2 years before bursting into life again yesterday. Thank goodness these things happen on Rootschat!)
keith
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