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Topic: Celia's Rake Lane + burial.look up (Read 32167 times)
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celia
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Hello Andre today i did a look up for you after asking for the non conformist burial film. On that film are the burial's in Flaybrick cemetery in Birkenhead. Even though i had the right dates of death. None of your family are on it
The other Cemetery is Landican also in B/Head.which i have visited in the past. I know that all religions seem to be buried there. I didn't have time to go through that film, Landican is not old. it didn't open till 193? so your ancestors might be buried there i don't know.
I also got the same results when looking for Jan's ancestors.
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slightlyfoxed
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Hi Celia. Re looking for Fountains Lodge. Rake Lane .I would have expected it to be close to Fountains Road, possible on one of the corners.?? I looked at a map!
Great great grandaddy Augustus Stephen J Pomeroy lived there after he retired from Albert Dock Company
He was Principle of General Office and Receiver of Charges and duty Superintendent of the Albert Dock Offices. In 1880 he was 63, and was Retired.
In 1881 one he was living in Fountains lodge with his widowed daughter in law Elizabeth and two grandsons Edgar and Campbell Pomeroy. (Listed as Porncoy in census) He died in 1884 and the boys went off to USA in 1888.
A picture would be brilliant!
:~)))))))))
Annie
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Pomeroy in London & Liverpool , Pomery near Launceston Cornwall, Shearer of Thurso, Moore in Colchester and Hornblow in Braintree Essex, Machin & Cook in Herts, Campbell, Sutherland, Mackay, Brotchie, Gunn. Cadle in South Africa.
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celia
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Hi Annie, I cant find your original post anywhere, or my reply. However i did do a short Research at the time
( in case the enquirer's dont reply to mails containing information sent;) I had never seen Fountain Road in Rake Lane, so i went to the library,hoping to find a street map. They didn't have any, I then looked at he Gores Directory. It wasn't there either  So where too from there  A few days ago i remembered that the Directory only gives Main Roads. But if looked at it more closely it gives the Off Main road and the off,off ones  By coincidence i got your mail earlier today. The day i was going Along Rake lane, I had bought a street map, at last
so i looked up Fountain Road. Found it but couldn't find anything that resembled a lodge. One end is more like an entry. I took a photo, Will have a cup of tea, then go to the library, as it stays open late today.It's 4.30 now so tune in later with results i hope to get.
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celia
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1880
Gores Directory copied out as in Directory.
Pomeroy. Augustus S.J. Principal general Office Albert Dock. W
Pomeroy, Charles R, Marina. Both living 30 Leeds Street West
After a bit more routing
Leeds Street W = Leeds & L,Pool Canal Wharfs,
Gores Directory 1882
Alexander Terrace
1. Buckley William R. Pilot. 2. Hudson John Gardener. 4 Fann Augustin. W Draper & Pomeroy Augustus J. Gentleman.
Postal Directory 1914/15
Pomeroy, Harrison W. Purser 9, Warwick Drive
Pomeroy, Mrs. Louise, 18,Queensway ( my granddad lived next street, Queensway)
Next time I visit the library I will track back in Liverpool to see how long Your G.G.Grandaddy was there. Then I will track down to his death year in 1884. Have you any idea what side of the Water he died on?
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slightlyfoxed
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Wow thats brilliant. !! Thank you so much!
I wonder who Charles R Pomeroy was?!!
I shall send it all to my Pom cousin she'll be puzzled too I think!
Harrison W the purser is of our family! It should read Harrison H for Hornblow! What a name to conjure with!!! If you come across anything more about him we'd be interested ! He got into some sort of trouble in , possibly embezzlement, in about 1911 and went down for it! We think he got about 8 or 10 years but unfortunately even now, his son who is still alive in Australia, wont talk about it , so we are consumed with curiosity!!!
Augustus death is known 29 May 1884 and we have his will , although we dont know where he was buried. Possible in the Rake Lane Cemmy.
I found my map by chance looking for something else on the WWW . a body building centre in Rake lane that attracted my attention and it had a map attached.
Many Thanks!
Annie
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Pomeroy in London & Liverpool , Pomery near Launceston Cornwall, Shearer of Thurso, Moore in Colchester and Hornblow in Braintree Essex, Machin & Cook in Herts, Campbell, Sutherland, Mackay, Brotchie, Gunn. Cadle in South Africa.
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celia
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Hi Annie i was just about to log off when i saw your reply.
and i am glad to been of some help to you.
I will take any Pomeroy's i find in the books because the only ones i came across are the ones i sent you. Depending in what sort of book i look at. The full name is not always given in regard to initials.In Those days some had three middle names so might only have given the first two initials. Do you have a death certificate for your Augustus?
When i was at the library last night i mentioned to one of the staff who know me through my many visits. That i had been to Fountain road earlier and couldn't imagine where the lodge could have been. She said Oh it got demolished years ago :(I used to pass it everyday on my way to school. What a shame. As the landscape has changed so much it's impossible to say where it once stood. Because your ancestor died in 1884 there is a good chance that he was living at Alexander Terrace at the time. I have now looked at my Wirral Street Atlas and there is An Alexander Road in Wallasey so it would have been there somewhere. There are also Two warwick Drives one in Wirral :- and one in Wallasey. As with Kingway a very long road it is still there.
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celia
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Now when you have printed the photo's out let me know please so i can delete them . Thanks. Photo's deleted
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slightlyfoxed
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Thank you very much for all your efforts! My Pom cousin will be most interested as well.
Im a bit baffled by Augustus Poms perambulations. After his wife died he seems to have moved about for several years before settling in Fountains Lodge with his widowed daughter in law and grandsons!
I shall hunt around to see if there are any old photios of the area hiding on the www somewhere??
I wonder if you'd have any idea how I could locate an auction catalogue from 1968-1969 ish.
Another relative, one with oodles of boodle, also lived in Birkenhead and when the family died out with the death of his remaining daughter there was an auction of the house and contents.
He was Joseph Wilson , the house was the rather pretentiously names Stokesay Hall ( also now demolished) He was a sucessful miller and corn merchant and his son Frank Campbell Wilson was Lord mayor of Liverp'l in 1922 23 . After his daughter Margaret Florence Wilson died in about 1968 or 69 everything was sold.There was a catalogue for the sale. Id love to know if one survives.
I have yet to find Josephs or Margarets death record. Not in Cheshire BMDs and not on line but I am going to the local probate office in Exeter at some point!.
Many thanks .
Best wishes for the Festive season!
annie
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Pomeroy in London & Liverpool , Pomery near Launceston Cornwall, Shearer of Thurso, Moore in Colchester and Hornblow in Braintree Essex, Machin & Cook in Herts, Campbell, Sutherland, Mackay, Brotchie, Gunn. Cadle in South Africa.
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celia
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Hi Annie, I cant Help you with Auction Catalog,s i am afraid it,s a bit off Topic for me. You could have a scout round on the net and find the history of Stokesey Hall.
I am not sure if you would find an Auction Catalog without knowing the name of the Auctioneer's.
Do you know who the Mrs Pomeroy was that lived in Queensway. On the next fine day( it's freezin here ) i will take a photo of the House for you if it's yours. Also one of 9, Warwick Drive. Let me know if you want anything else looking up,burials,addresses.Will be glad to help
Note, Between us we found the Auction Catalog By Chance,recently.
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celia
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Hi Annie, I found more on your Pomeroy’s than I told you. (I Just had to type it out) I worked back through the years from Wallasey where the Pomeroy’s last lived. To Liverpool in 1868. (I can go a long way back till I run out of the name) Where they seem to have lived before moving to Wallasey when Augustus Retired. There were no Pomeroy mentioned in the Directory for
1882 or 1884 the 1881 is missing. So from 1883 back to 1868 I found.
In 1883. Mrs. James Pomeroy. 11, Mount view (House name I would say) Clwyd St New Brighton.
Mrs Lizzie Pomeroy. Fountain Lodge, Rake Lane, Liscard, (Wallasey
1878. Pomeroy Augustus. S.J. Princ/gen/office.
“ Charles. Marina. 30 Leeds Street. 1877 still at that address.
1876. Pomeroy. Agustus. S.J. Princ/Gen/Office/
“ Charles Grocer & provision Dealer. 48 Leeds St. 1875 same.
1874. Pomeroy. John, Master Marina 79, White Rock st. E
1873. Pomeroy. John. Master Marina, Devonshire Terrace, 39, Brook Road, Bootle, N
1872. Pomeroy “ “ “ “ “
1871. Pomeroy. Augustus, Book Keeper, 3,Canning St Waterloo, W
“ Harrison, A. (Albert Dock offices) Albert Dock west
“ John Master Marina. 39, Brook road, Bootle. W
“ Walker, W. (Albert Dock offices) Albert Dock . W
1870. Pomeroy. Augustus, Bookeeper. 22, Wavertree Vale. E
“ Walker, W, same as 71
1868. Pomeroy. Alfred Augustus. Bookeeper, Church Road, Much Woolton. E.
“ Augustus, S.J. Principal Clerk Albert dock, Warehouse. W.
Miss Eliza, School Mistress South View, Allerton View, much Woolton, E
Now that you know that your Pomeroy’s were living in Liverpool in 1871. You will now be able to request the 1871 Census for Lancashire, (Liverpool) One each for Harrison, John, Walker, & Mrs. Lizzie Pomeroy (Cheshire) oh yes and Mrs. James Pomeroy census place Cheshire.
Did you know ther are 1,400 + Pomeroy's & Pomery' dating back to 1583 in Cornwall 
Annie i have just been on your Pomeroy website, wow, so of course you know about cornwall.Thats some history have i given you information you already have.I wouldnt think so though unless you have been to Cheshire
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celia
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Hi Andrea & Karen,you remember Karen you asked Andrea if she knew anything about the outbreak of Spanish flu?I have never stopped trying to find information about this.Now thanks to a relative who today suggested where to look. I have found the information and was shocked.I will put the website address on so others can read more about it, a truly terrible occurrence.
http://www.stanford.edu/group/virus/uda
Celia
The influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 killed more people than the Great War (1914-18), at somewhere between 20 and 40 million people. It has been cited as the most devastating epidemic in recorded world history. More people died of influenza in a single year than in four-years of the Black Death Bubonic Plague from 1347 to 1351. Known as "Spanish Flu" or "La Grippe" the influenza of 1918-1919 was a global disaster. In the fall of 1918 the Great War in Europe was winding down and peace was on the horizon. The Americans had joined in the fight, bringing the Allies closer to victory against the Germans. Deep within the trenches these men lived through some of the most brutal conditions of life, which it seemed could not be any worse. Then, in pockets across the globe, something erupted that seemed as benign as the common cold. The influenza of that season, however, was far more than a cold. In the two years that this scourge ravaged the earth, a fifth of the world's population was infected. The flu was most deadly for people ages 20 to 40. This pattern of morbidity was unusual for influenza which is usually a killer of the elderly and young children.
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kiwi
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Hi Celia,
The Spanish 'flu hit hard out here in NZ too, huge numbers of people died, I know 'disinfecting' stations were set up in various points around town to help combat infection, all to no avail, no penicillin or antibiotics in those days!
Keep up the good work,
regards,
kiwi.
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