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jean Sandra
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Hi,
I have traced an ancestor of mine named, Joseph Thorniley, through the 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881 censuses, Each time he stated he was born in Derbyshire and in 3 of them named New Mills as his place of birth. In the other he said he was born in Peak Forest. Even though I live in Derbyshire and know where Peak Forest is I think he was possibly referring to the part of New Mills where the Peak Forest canal had just been built.
My problem is that I can't seem to trace him or his family in New Mills and wondered if anyone could help?
His trade was always that of labourer so there are no clues there.
I cant find anything on the IGI and am unsure where I can go next.
Any help / suggestions would be gratefully received.
Regards
Jean Sandra
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Lancashire:
Holland, Rothwell, Speake, Mills, Byrne, Healey, Cowburn, Thorpe,
Wolstencroft, Boulton, Holt
Cheshire:
Daniel, Eccles, Challenor,Holt, Swift, Boulton, Thorniley, Sharman, Wilson, Hindley,
Dawson
Derbyshire:
Sharman, Cocker, Coates, Swift, Thorniley
Cornwall
Stephens, Bate, Cock
Leicestershire
Dawson
Worcestershire
Mills, Slater, Dukes
Berkshire
Slater
Ireland
Byrne
Staffordshire
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jean Sandra
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Hi,
many thanks for replying.
I don't like to ask but who is Samuel Thorniley?
Do you have his details?
Regards
Jean sandra
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Lancashire:
Holland, Rothwell, Speake, Mills, Byrne, Healey, Cowburn, Thorpe,
Wolstencroft, Boulton, Holt
Cheshire:
Daniel, Eccles, Challenor,Holt, Swift, Boulton, Thorniley, Sharman, Wilson, Hindley,
Dawson
Derbyshire:
Sharman, Cocker, Coates, Swift, Thorniley
Cornwall
Stephens, Bate, Cock
Leicestershire
Dawson
Worcestershire
Mills, Slater, Dukes
Berkshire
Slater
Ireland
Byrne
Staffordshire
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Gardener
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here is the 1851 entry for Samuel. He is at Heaton Norris too and born New Mills so I think it likely that he is related to your Joseph. Judging by the children he spent some time in Stockport and seems to have been there in 1841 so you could try looking for Joseph there too perhaps.
1851
Heaton Norris
18, Old Road
Samuel Thorniley,head,47,paver?,Derbyshire,New Mills
Sarah T,wife,47,Cheshire,Stockport
Sarah T,dau,14,winder in cotton mill,ditto
Samuel T,son,13,errand boy,ditto
Jane T,7,scholar,ditto
Joseph Roundcar,s in l,23,iron moulder,ditto
Mary A Roundcar,dau,24,ditto
Samuel Roundcar,gson,10m,Lancs,Heaton Norris
HO107/2155-111 sch 11
Here is a link to the 1841 census for New Mills. There is a Thorneley family there so that might interest you.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk/1841_newmills_census.html
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/NewMills/index.html
This is where I found the previous link.
The 1881 has a Sarah Thornely aged 68 a grocer at Mellor. In 1851 she is living with her mother:
Longhurst Lane
Fanny Thornely,head,w,81,shop keeper grocer, Derby, New Mills
Sarah Thornely,dau,u,36,domestic duties,Dery,Mellor
Sarah Mather,gdau,8,scholar,Derby,Ludworth
HO107/2153-289
Good luck with this lot 
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 Rose (Black Country),Downs (Black Country),Wolloxall (any and all),Bark (Derbyshire),Wright (Derbyshire),Marsden (Derbyshire), Wallace (Black Country) All census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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jean Sandra
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Hi,
many thanks for this.
Until now I was unaware of Samuel but now I can see he probably is a brother of Joseph.
I have tried on a nu,mber of occasions to find Joseph in the 1841 census but without success.
I appreciate all your help, its wonderful.
Regards
Jean Sandra
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Lancashire:
Holland, Rothwell, Speake, Mills, Byrne, Healey, Cowburn, Thorpe,
Wolstencroft, Boulton, Holt
Cheshire:
Daniel, Eccles, Challenor,Holt, Swift, Boulton, Thorniley, Sharman, Wilson, Hindley,
Dawson
Derbyshire:
Sharman, Cocker, Coates, Swift, Thorniley
Cornwall
Stephens, Bate, Cock
Leicestershire
Dawson
Worcestershire
Mills, Slater, Dukes
Berkshire
Slater
Ireland
Byrne
Staffordshire
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jean Sandra
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Hi,
thank you so much for your help.
My problem is that Joseph Thorneley was born about 1812 and I can't find a baptism or record of him prior to 1851 in Heaton Norris.
The subsequent records of him are all in Heaton Norris, so I don't know who his family in New Mills were. I just know that various censuses have him down as being born in New Mills about 1812.
The earliest record of him is in the 1851 census when he was 38 years old.
Regards
Jean Sandra
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Lancashire:
Holland, Rothwell, Speake, Mills, Byrne, Healey, Cowburn, Thorpe,
Wolstencroft, Boulton, Holt
Cheshire:
Daniel, Eccles, Challenor,Holt, Swift, Boulton, Thorniley, Sharman, Wilson, Hindley,
Dawson
Derbyshire:
Sharman, Cocker, Coates, Swift, Thorniley
Cornwall
Stephens, Bate, Cock
Leicestershire
Dawson
Worcestershire
Mills, Slater, Dukes
Berkshire
Slater
Ireland
Byrne
Staffordshire
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suzard
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Have you tried looking under THORNHILL, THORNHILE, THORNIWELL, THORNELLY.?
My THORNHILL's(from Derbys) have at times used all those variations-I know some of my GGrandfathers brothers-baptised as THORNHILL, married as THORNELLY, and their living descendants use the name THORNLEY -one even uses THORLEY!!!
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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jean Sandra
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Hi,
will do that, although there are Thorneleys in New Mills but can't find where a batism could be.
Regards
Jean Sandra
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Lancashire:
Holland, Rothwell, Speake, Mills, Byrne, Healey, Cowburn, Thorpe,
Wolstencroft, Boulton, Holt
Cheshire:
Daniel, Eccles, Challenor,Holt, Swift, Boulton, Thorniley, Sharman, Wilson, Hindley,
Dawson
Derbyshire:
Sharman, Cocker, Coates, Swift, Thorniley
Cornwall
Stephens, Bate, Cock
Leicestershire
Dawson
Worcestershire
Mills, Slater, Dukes
Berkshire
Slater
Ireland
Byrne
Staffordshire
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