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1851 Census Lookup - Barry Parish, Village of Carnoustie-HERD/HIRD
« on: Monday 14 November 05 00:16 GMT (UK) »
Regards All  Smiley

I could use a hand up if someone has access to the 1851 Census.

Looking for Archibald Herd/Hird age 50
wife Elizabeth age 65
Daughters Magaret & Elizabeth

Have them on the 1841 & 1861...but I need to see if their daughter Elizabeth is in the home in 1851 and any little clues that might exist!

I'd so appreciate the help  Wink
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Re: 1851 Census Lookup - Barry Parish, Village of Carnoustie-HERD/HIRD
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 February 07 16:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

This looks like them

1851 Scotland Census
about Archibald Hero
Name: Archibald Hero
Age: 50 
Estimated birth year: abt 1801 
Relationship: Head 
Spouse's name: Elisabeth
Gender: Male 
Where born: Meigle, Forfarshire 
Parish Number: 274 
Civil parish: Barry 
Town: Carnoustie 
County: Angus 
Occupation: Vintner 
ED: 2 
Page: 5
Household schedule number: 134 
Line: 3 
Roll: CSSCT1851_58 
Household Members: Name Age
Archibald Hero 50 
Elisabeth Hero 63 
Margaret Hero 25 


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Re: 1851 Census Lookup - Barry Parish, Village of Carnoustie-HERD/HIRD
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 11 February 07 17:51 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jean

Indeed it looks like you found them!! HERO instead of Herd/Hird!!!

Can you my chance give me the particulars for wife Elizabeth and daughter Margaret.  Where they were born and occupations etc.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR FINDING THEM Smiley

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Re: 1851 Census Lookup - Barry Parish, Village of Carnoustie-HERD/HIRD
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 14 February 07 11:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi Luv,

There are no occupations stated on the transcription.

Margaret born Meigle, Forfarshire
Elisabeth born Liff, Forfarshire.

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Re: 1851 Census Lookup - Barry Parish, Village of Carnoustie-HERD/HIRD
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 14 February 07 11:55 GMT (UK) »
Hope you don't mind me jumping in on this thread.

Great find, Jean P.

I too have been having trouble with an 1851 Angus Census search. I have the family on 1841 and 1861 etc, but they are 'lost' somewhere on 1851. Have tried (and others have too) numerous variations of surname but to no avail. Maybe a fresh pair of eyes, if it's not too much trouble, would help.

Details are William (age about 40) and Elisabeth/Betsy Youngson (40) with children Isobel (15),  David (12) and John (under 10yrs).  At 1841 they were in Long Wynd, but may have moved before 1851, although I would suspect still Dundee as 1861 records etc all Dundee.

I can only get 17 people on the search I do for Angus and although there is a William and a Betsy, they are not from above group.

Much appreciated.
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Re: 1851 Census Lookup - Barry Parish, Village of Carnoustie-HERD/HIRD
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 14 February 07 12:01 GMT (UK) »
THANK JEAN

And good luck scotmum!  Obviously there are issues with the spelling of surnames on the 1851 in Angus!!   Tongue

I had paid at Scotlandspeople quite a few credits looking for this family as I knew they had to be there! But I could not find them!  Well, I never would have searched the surname HERO!!


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Re: 1851 Census Lookup - Barry Parish, Village of Carnoustie-HERD/HIRD
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 February 07 10:06 GMT (UK) »
Hello Scotsmum,

Well I'll have a try for you!

Please can you let me have their places and d.o.b. and an occupation for William?

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Re: 1851 Census Lookup - Barry Parish, Village of Carnoustie-HERD/HIRD
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 15 February 07 10:24 GMT (UK) »
William (b 21/9/1809) was a Flax Dresser, born Dundee.

(he died before the 1861 Census but wife and both sons were at Caldrum Street, Dundee by that time - daughter married and living nearby too.)

Elisabeth/Betsy was born Penicuik, Midlothian

All three children born Dundee, but cannot find records (only seem to have registered two other children - one died infancy/one stillbirth). I have been given a birthdate for John from one of his line of 7/7/1846 but it does not turn up on ScotlandsPeople. Going from other records I have with Isobel's (some records say Isabella) age, I assume c1836. And likewise from other records for David, c1838.

As I say, myself and others have tried the 1851 several times, but , you never know what another pair of eyes may find that we have missed.

Don't go to too much trouble though, as I have them for 1841 and 1861 etc. It would have just made it more complete to have 1851 too.

Thanks for your help.
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Re: 1851 Census Lookup - Barry Parish, Village of Carnoustie-HERD/HIRD
« Reply #8 on: Friday 16 February 07 12:55 GMT (UK) »
Hello Scotsmum,

I've scanned through several thousand entries and not come up with anything yet. Definitely has been mistrancribed, however I've not given up yet! Were they in the same parish in 1841 & 1861 and where and when did William die?

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Re: 1851 Census Lookup - Barry Parish, Village of Carnoustie-HERD/HIRD
« Reply #9 on: Friday 16 February 07 13:09 GMT (UK) »
Oh Jean, thank you for your trouble. I suppose maybe they were just missed, but I think myself that they are hiding somewhere, just mis-transcribed.

Yes, Civil Parish of Dundee for both and William died in Dundee in 1858.
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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 18 February 07 15:19 GMT (UK) »
Sorry Scotsmum, can't find anything either. If you do a search on Youngson born in Dundee, not one match comes up, which I think is quite odd, as you'd think there'd be more than your family wouldn't you? I've also tried the England census to no avail.

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Mitchell                           Gwynne
Davidson                        Evans
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Re: 1851 Census Lookup - Barry Parish, Village of Carnoustie-HERD/HIRD
« Reply #11 on: Monday 19 February 07 11:29 GMT (UK) »
Not to worry, thanks. I sneaked a 3 day free trial on Ancestry this weekend (via another Rootschat post on the Ancestry Canada offer). This let me look again at the Scotland 1851 and I tried so many diffrent combinations of names, details, but all to no avail. I think their Census return either didn't happen for whatever reason or has been so badly mis-transcribed as to be lost beyond reason.

Never mind, these things happen. 

By the way, the name wasn't particulary common in Dundee. There were some others there in the timescale, but born Montrose or elsewhere, not Dundee. Although 'my' William was born Dundee, his family apparently came from nearby Montrose.
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SCOTT Cumberland, England & Lanarkshire, Scotland
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