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Topic: Complete - Ellerton & Shufflebotham - 1841 census (Read 471 times)
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Silverlamp
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The IGI also has Elizabeth as daughter of Abel and Hannah. It's slightly disconcerting that there is also a boy Abel on that '41 census return. Do we have two possibilities:
1. there are two Ellerton families with daughter Elizabeth of around the same age in the area; or
2. Abel was otherwise known as John (or vice versa)?
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suzard
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I think we are on the trail
IGI Extracted
marriage
John Ellerton
Hannah Beech
14 Nov 1813 Wollstanton Staffs
then there is a submitted record
Marriage
abt 1820 Wollstanton Staffs
Abel Ellerton
Hannah Ellerton
the 2nd marriage is suspect as it is submitted
but wonder if Hannah Beech married John Ellerton had a child (Elizabeth) John died and hannah remarried Abel
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Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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suzard
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Hi Silverlamp.
The IGI records you refer to are submitted and very suspect - dates are "about" - to me they seem to be nothing more than a guess???
What do you think??
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Silverlamp
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Yes - I'm wary about those submitted records. But thanks for that extracted one - John and Hannah could well be my ancestors. And if the Abel marriage is right, possibly after John died she married his brother?
Simon
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Silverlamp
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Doing a parent search with John Ellerton and Hannah brings up three sons, Joseph 1823, Levi 1822 and John 1821 all christened in Newchapel, Stafford (as Elerton). Newchapel is less than a mile from Goldenhill. A pity they haven't included Elizabeth and any other daughters in their extraction 
edit: John not Robert
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suzard
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may have found her
Bear with my train of thought
found this family in 1851
High St Goldenhill Staffs
Nathaniel Ellerton head M 36 Coal miner Wollstanton staffs
Mary wife 35 Burslem Staffs
John son 3 Wollstanton Staffs
George greatbutch? son? 15 Earthen ware presser Burslem
Abel Ellerton Lodger M 23 Earthenware ovenman Wollstanton
Athalis? Ellerton Lodger's wife M 20 Earthenware triangle maker Wollstanton
George Ellerton Lodger's son 2mth Wollstanton
Mary Ellerton visitor U 20 Wollstanton
HO107 2002 285
Wondered if maybe Nathaniel could be brother to Elizabeth???
Possibly Abel was half brother and mary sister?
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IGI extracted
Christenings
Nathaniel Eleton
26 Mar 1815
Newchapel Staffs
Parents John Eleton /Hannah
Elizabeth Ellton
21 Jun 1818
Newchapel Staffs
Parents John Ellton /Hannah
note different spellings
Forgot to ask - who were witnesses at the marriage of Elizabeth and Robert???
will be back later
Suz
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suzard
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this is nathaniel in 1841
Sandtford
Tunstall Staffs
nathaniel Ellerton 26 collier
mary 26
hannah 5 mths
all b in county
HO107 993 21 41 17
possibly daughter hannah died - there are several deaths of hannah Ellerton 1841-1851
looks like Nathaniel married Mary Greathatch in 1839 - possibly she had been married before
Seems to fit - Nathaniel called 1st daughter hannah and then called son John
Possibly the member who submitted the baptisms of Elizabeth and Emma (and others) and named parents as Abel and hannah - just took the names of the household in 1841 and assumed they were all children of Abel and hannah???
Suz
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Silverlamp
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Suz - I think you may have it! 
It seems I couldn't find Elizabeth on IGI because her surname had been recorded differently - and Nathaniel also. He fits as John and Hannah married in 1813, so there was a big gap between then and the sons I found on IGI. I would bet there are other children as well, including possibly one in early 1814. Nathaniel is a collier as well - just as his father John is.
The witnesses at Robert & Elizabeth's wedding were Mary Powell and Samuel Hilditch. Elizabeth and Mary made marks.
The Abel in the '51census with Nathaniel matches the Abel in the '41census with Hannah Ellerton ms Beech. He looks like a brother. I wonder if John Ellerton had died by 1841 or was elsewhere. The children I found on IGI (Joseph, Levi & John) are not there either, and they would be aged between 17 and 21.
Many thanks for your efforts - some great detective work! You'll have to give me some tips on searching IGI 
Simon
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suzard
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Just realised
Mary Ellerton age 20 who is visiting nathaniel in 1851 is most proably Mary age 10 with Hannah and family in 1841 - so she will be Elizabeth's sister or half sister
I would think John was deceased before 1841 - possibly hannah did remarry to Abel -no record found yet - but baprism records of younger children would give father's name - if we can find them!!!!
Suz
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Silverlamp
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Nathaniel's lodgers in 1851 include Athalis? and Abel Ellerton. I think this is her in 1881, Abel has died:
RG11 2714/35 2
27 Wharf St. Burslem
Ethelia ELLERTON, Head, W, Female, 51
George ELLERTON, Son, M, 30, Potter
Joseph ELLERTON, Son, Male, 25, Potter
Harry ELLERTON, Son, Male, 14, Scholar
Ann ELLERTON, Daur, Female, 10, Scholar
Abel ELLERTON, Son, Male, 6, Scholar
William SMITH, Lodger, Male, 27, Brick Setter
Sarah SMITH, Lodger, F, 22
Ellen Athelia SMITH, Lodger, Female, 3m
all b. Burslem.
It looks likely to me, from the 1851 and 1881 returns that Abel, Hannah's son, was married to Athelia. Abel would have been born ca. 1828; there's no record on IGI. The last child of John and Hannah that I've been able ( ) to find is Joseph chr. 2 Nov 1823 (as Elerton). When I have a bit more time I'll try a few Ellerton variations to see if I can find any more (I'm going away for a couple of days).
Thanks again Suz; Simon
edit: address added
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