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Chris L. Oz
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Newell/Luddington
« on: Thursday 17 November 05 08:47 GMT (UK) »

Hi,

I'm looking for information about the family of Arthur Thomas (or Luddington?) NEWELL, born in Bedford, June qtr 1859 (Vol 3b page 339).

His middle initial in the 1891 Census is 'L', which changed back to 'T' in the 1901 census.  In 1891 he had a 2 year old adopted daughter, Edith Luddington (my husband's Grandmother).  She later used this name on her marriage in 1910 and again on remarriage in Redfern, NSW, Australia in 1914. Her father is listed on this latter marriage certificate as Arthur Luddington Newell.

Arthur was married to Ellen (Nellie) Harrison and living in West Derby by the time of the 1891 census.

It maybe that Luddington is his mother's maiden name.

Any info would be creatly appreciated.
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Re: Newell/Luddington
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 17 November 05 09:47 GMT (UK) »

Hi Chris,

Is the 1861 census of use to you?
RG9/991 43 31
Bedford St Mary
New Ampthill? Rd

Henry Newell, head, 43, Blacksmith, b. Norfolk Thetford
Mary A, wife, 42, b. Cambs Chesterton
William H, son, unm, 18, Blacksmith Apprentice, b. Cambs Cambridge
Mary A, dau, 12, scholar, b. do.
Elizabeth, dau, 10, scholar, b. do.
Arthur T, grandson, 1, b. Beds Bedford

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I hope this is him - can't see any other match for now.
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Re: Newell/Luddington
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 17 November 05 09:52 GMT (UK) »

He's still at his grandparents' in 1871, just the 3 of them (looks like Henry has a new wife though):
RG10/1543 56 14
St Mary, Bedford, Bedfordshire
Rings Place

Henry Newell, head, 53, Smith in ironworks, b. Norfolk Thetford
Eliza, wife, 44, b. Mddx Stepney
Arthur, grandson, 11, scholar, b. Bedford
 
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Re: Newell/Luddington
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 17 November 05 10:05 GMT (UK) »

This is the family in 1851
HO107/1759 438 18
Chesterton, Cambridgeshire
Burmuda Row

Henry Newell, head, 33, Smith, b. Norfolk Thetford
Mary A, wife, 32, b. Cambs Chesterton
Harriet, dau, 10, scholar, b. Cambs Cambridgeshire
William, son, 8, scholar, b. do.
Mary A, dau, 2, Chesterton
Elizabeth, dau, 3ms, b. Chesterton

In 1881, there is an Arthur (T or F) Newell, married to a Jane, son, in the household of John (J or T) and Harriet Dodson. Harriet's age and birth place match with the Harriet above.
I'm having a look if I can find her in 1861 and 1871.

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Re: Newell/Luddington
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 17 November 05 10:12 GMT (UK) »

In 1871 she's at Bedford St Mary, already married to Mr Dodson, as well as in 1861.

Cheesy FreeBMD has the following marriage: December quarter 1859, Bedford. Hariett Newell to either Charles Savage or John Thomas Dodson.

 


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Re: Newell/Luddington
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 17 November 05 10:14 GMT (UK) »

Hi Chris

I think Arthur was the illegitimate daughter of Harriett Newell, dau of Henry and Mary. They appear in Bedford in 1851. Harriett married John Dodson in Bedford in Dec quarter 1859.

John and Harriett are in West Derby in 1881 along with John Newell, son and his wife Jane (so Ellen was presumably his second wife)

I don't think his middle initial in 1891 is an L. It looks more like a T to me - it's nothing like the L of Luddington, Liverpool and Lancs on the same page. I think that's a mistranscription, so he is consistently Arthur T Newell.

I would order his birth certificate to clear up his parentage.

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
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Re: Newell/Luddington
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 17 November 05 11:02 GMT (UK) »

Thanks to you all very much for the information.  It's now 9.50pm in Oz, so I'm printing it out as some bedtime reading.  I think it will take some time to work it all out.

What remains is the question of why the adopted daughter is Edith Luddington and why she later recorded her father  as Arthur Luddington Newell.

The story that's been handed down is that Luddington-Newell was an old family name, with a supposed family crest!, which I've seen myself!!!  Maybe someone made a bit of money on that deal.

I've ordered Arthur's birth certificate in case it shines more light on the matter.  David, I think you're probably right about the middle inital.

I guess an adoption in 1890 is going to be impossible to trace.

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Re: Newell/Luddington
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 17 November 05 11:04 GMT (UK) »

As far as I'm aware, official adoptions didn't exist before the 20th century at all.

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Re: Newell/Luddington
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 17 November 05 11:24 GMT (UK) »

Hi Tanja,

Maybe it was all in the family!  They seemed to have led an interesting family life.

Cheers

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Re: Newell/Luddington
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 17 November 05 11:47 GMT (UK) »

What's strange is that I can't find any birth registration for an Edith Enora at all, whatever surname  Huh
 
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Re: Newell/Luddington
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 17 November 05 11:54 GMT (UK) »

I know - it's soooooooo frustrating.  Maybe if she was illegitimate her birth wasn't recorded at all.

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Re: Newell/Luddington
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 17 November 05 12:01 GMT (UK) »

I'm not a specialist but I would think it was compulsory to register births by 1890! She's down as Luddington in 1891 when the rest of the family are Newell's. Seems to me Luddington must be her birth name! But I can see no Luddington birth registrations at all in Liverpool ca. 1890, not even for a 'female'. As you say : very frustrating  Angry       
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Re: Newell/Luddington
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 17 November 05 13:21 GMT (UK) »

In 1901 Edith Newall 12 b Liverpool was a visitor in West Derby at Margaret Stanancroft (is the transcription, although it could be Stananought) widow 32 living on own means b Preston.

I wonder if this might be a clue as to her mother??? (Clutching at straws!)

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
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Re: Newell/Luddington
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 17 November 05 14:14 GMT (UK) »

This may be way off the wall, but in Dec 1894 in West Derby Charles Stananought married Margaret Holme. In 1891 there is a Margaret Holme in West Derby age 23 b Preston.

No idea if there is any relevance at all in this but apart from the name Luddington I can't see there are any other clues!

David

PS Have I missed something here. Edith... Enora?
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: Newell/Luddington
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 17 November 05 15:29 GMT (UK) »

Trying to find connections ...

In 1891, I can see only one other person by the name of Luddington in Lancashire:
RG12/3200 89 29
55 Stockton Street - Moss Side

Samuel Sutcliffe, head, 68, Painter, b. Yorks Slaithwaite
Hannah, wife, 69, b. do.
Martha Luddington, dau, wid, 34, b. do.
John Watson, lodger, s, 46, Tutor, b. Scotland
 
 

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