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Aitken - Woolwich
« on: Sunday 20 November 05 06:01 GMT (UK) »

I would like to find an alternative record to a certified copy of a birth certificate I have.  The certificate is for Celia Eliza Aitken born 6/1/1919 at 178 Powis st. Woolwich.  This certificate names the mother as Catherine Annie Aitken formerly Jones, and the father as Frederick Alexander Aitken.  I have not been able to find a marriage for these 2 and family insist that there is a mistake as Celia's mother was Elizabeth Sarah Brown nee Kirby.  I would appreciate any suggestions as to obtaining a church record or a copy of the original transcript if such a thing exists, many thanks Dee
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Re: Aitken - Woolwich
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 20 November 05 08:26 GMT (UK) »

The certified copy is just that, a copy of the original birth registration issued by the register office.  Is it one that's been in existence for a long time?  You could look on 1837online for the registration and order a copy, but it would likely say only what you've already got.  There wouldn't be a church record of a birth, only, perhaps, of Celia's baptism, which wouldn't help.  If the family are convinced there was a mistake, why did no one query it at the time? 
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Re: Aitken - Woolwich
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 20 November 05 10:51 GMT (UK) »

Hi Dee, there is a marriage record in the June quarter of 1900 on freebmd as follows, but note the spelling of Aicken/Aitken and it is quite a long time before your birth of Celia in 1919 though?

Marriages Jun 1900
Aicken  Francis Alexander    Woolwich  1d 2056   
Grundy  James Albert     Woolwich  1d 2056   
Jones  Catherine Annie     Woolwich  1d 2056   
Knight  Maud     Woolwich  1d 2056


Had you thought sideways - that maybe Catherine Annie Jones was the first wife of Frederick Alexander and that he remarried Elizabeth Sarah Kirby? The marriage certificate of Frederick to Elizabeth would confirm whether he was a bachelor or not? If Frederick was married to Catherine Annie in 1900, you should be able to find them together on the 1901 census

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Re: Aitken - Woolwich
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 20 November 05 11:52 GMT (UK) »

London Metropolitan Archives hold records for Woolwich baptisms.  The film numbers you'd probably be interested in are X078/007 1915 Jul - 1924 Apr - bapstims of St. Michael and All Angels, Woolwich, Borgard Road, and X099/189 1917 Nov - 1937 May - baptisms of of Saint Mary Magdalene, Woolwich, Church Street.  (The X-numbers are the microfilm numbers).

(Saint Mary Magdalene was the original parish church, St. Michael and All Angels came later, but she might be in either - or, I suppose, in nonconformist records - from what you know of the family, were they all CoE?)

Looking at the map here I suspect they would have used St. Mary Magdalene as it is closer to Powis St.

I would agree that you should try and find the marriage of Frederick to Sarah, and/or the birth certificates of Celia's brothers and sisters if she had any. 

There's Elizabeth's first marriage listed in 1903 Greenwich, I suspect, on freebmd - Elizabeth Sarah Kirby and Bertie William A Brown, both in Vol 1d, page 1732.
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Re: Aitken - Woolwich
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 22 November 05 05:00 GMT (UK) »

Hi all, the certificate I have is a certified copy dated 22/1/1970. Celia was my mother and Elizabeth Brown was my g'mother.  Celia was the  youngest of my g'mothers children.  she had quite a number to her 1st husband Bertie Brown. Elizabeth joined up with Frederick Aitken after obtaining a separation order from Bertie in 1916, so I don't suppose they married.  I was lucky enough to find Elizabeth & Frederick on the 1919 & 1920 electoral records for Woolwich at 178 Powis St. on a recent visit to the UK.  I also have the death certificate for Frederick 13/6/1920 at the same address. 

I have also come across the marriage in 1900 but have dismissed it as both the first and surname are not correct.   

My mother was Catholic and I have been unable to find any record of christening or confirmation in her papers, unlike my father who was CoE and kept his.

How would I be able to get hold of information contained in the records for Woolwich baptisms that jorose mentions?

Hope this hasnt confused the issue to much but I have not been able to get any further on this for a number of years and any help is much appreciated.
Thanks Dee
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Re: Aitken - Woolwich
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 22 November 05 12:02 GMT (UK) »

The LMA will do research for you if you are unable to get there:
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Re: Aitken - Woolwich
« Reply #6 on: Friday 09 May 08 17:05 BST (UK) »

From the baptism register St Michael & All Angels Woolwich 1919

Alleged Date of Birth: Jan 6 1919
When Baptised: Nineteenth January 1919
Childs name: Celia Eliza Frances
Parents Names: Frederick Alexander & Elizabeth
Surname: Aitken
Abode: 178 Powis Street
Quality, Trade or Profession: Labourer Royal Arsenal

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Re: Aitken - Woolwich
« Reply #7 on: Friday 09 May 08 21:07 BST (UK) »

See also:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,302788.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,110063.0.html

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