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help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« on: Friday 25 November 05 20:47 GMT (UK) »
I would really like some help as to how to trace
my granddad

All the information I have is his name Joseph smith
He died in 1964 at 66 years of age in Worcester
I have his death Cert but told me no more apart from what he died of.

From parish records for st Georges Worcester.  He was married to by gran in April 1925  on the marrage cert it says his father was William smith but nothing there about mothers name.
His occupation was a labour master in the workhouse in Worcester

His address at time of marriage was 1? Tallow Hill Worcester.
However when looking it up on the elect register for before/ during and after that year  it does not have him down but a family of a very different name.

The work house was in Tallow Hill and there and there was workers/ staff cottages

In 1933 my mother was born and the parish records have the baptism and them living at pitchcroft lane in Worcester, but again not on the electoral register as being there at this time

first record I have for him is in 1936 until he died at 1964

i do not know now how to trace him
Death cert- no help
Marriage cert - only gives his dads name

I do not know where he was born ( think it may have been worcester but only because thats where I have only know him to be)
Joseph smith is very common name so even if a birth came up.  How would I know it was him ( I have know mothers name)

any help I would be so grateful

Jacqui
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #1 on: Friday 25 November 05 20:52 GMT (UK) »
Do you know where he was born? You could look for him on the 1901 census - that would poss tell you who his mother was...?

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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #2 on: Friday 25 November 05 20:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi

No I don't know where he was born for sure only think it is Worcester/ or Worcestershire

and have no family or anyone who could tell me

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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #3 on: Friday 25 November 05 20:57 GMT (UK) »
Any idea of any brothers or sisters?
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #4 on: Friday 25 November 05 21:00 GMT (UK) »
No I know I am not much help
He died before I was born and my nan never spoke about him then she died
I didnt even know his name until a few weeks ago and managed to get that from the elect register from 1936
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #5 on: Friday 25 November 05 21:01 GMT (UK) »
Hello Jacqui,

Can you tell us the names of the Witnesses from the marriage certificate?

I can only see one Joseph SMITH in Worcester in 1901, born 1898 +-1. His mother is Fanny and he has a sister Lizzie. Unfortunately MR SMITH is  not at home Sad

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Dorset: HATCHER [Marnhull]
Durham: KANE McCAULEY
Glos: EDGWICK MORGAN
Lancs: HATCHER LAVELLE CROOKALL
Leics: BARKER COBLEY KING LEONARD MONTGOMERY MOULDS SHAW SIMPSON WHITE WOODWARD WORRAL
London: ALLUM CROSS WILLY
Nbld: ARMSTRONG COOK HENDERSON MILLER [Willington Quay/Wallsend]
Som: WILLY [S.Petherton]
Warks: BIDDULPH BURNS CRATHORN HOWCUTT MORGAN PODMORE SHELDRICK SMITH TAYLOR
Galway (Tuam): BOOTH SHELDRICK
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #6 on: Friday 25 November 05 21:03 GMT (UK) »
George pardoe - my grans dad
Geoffery collett Huh?
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #7 on: Friday 25 November 05 21:04 GMT (UK) »
Well the 1901 census is a good place to start. He would have been born around 1898 and so would have been about 3 yrs old then.

The problem you may have is that Smith is a popular surname and we are unsure of the place where he lived.

Otherwise you could search on BMD websites for his date of birth.

Do you have access to the 1901 census?
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #8 on: Friday 25 November 05 21:08 GMT (UK) »
Do you have access to the 1901 census?

no I dont

They were married at The parish church of claines @ st George Worcester

in the presence of Geoffery Collett
and George Pardoe my g Grandad
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« Reply #9 on: Friday 25 November 05 21:11 GMT (UK) »
I am currently sifting through reams of Smiths!
There is this..... whether they are the right people or not is a different story.

Buck Street, Halesowen, Worcs.

William Smith    Head     29     Furnace Stoker
Rachel Smith     Wife      31 
William Smith    son        8
Lydia Smith       daughter 4
Joseph P Smith  son       3

Could be?Huh
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #10 on: Friday 25 November 05 21:14 GMT (UK) »
There's a Geoffory COLLETT aged 10 in 1901. Son of Joseph (Market Gardener) and Ann. They are in Charlton, Worcestershire.

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John
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Dorset: HATCHER [Marnhull]
Durham: KANE McCAULEY
Glos: EDGWICK MORGAN
Lancs: HATCHER LAVELLE CROOKALL
Leics: BARKER COBLEY KING LEONARD MONTGOMERY MOULDS SHAW SIMPSON WHITE WOODWARD WORRAL
London: ALLUM CROSS WILLY
Nbld: ARMSTRONG COOK HENDERSON MILLER [Willington Quay/Wallsend]
Som: WILLY [S.Petherton]
Warks: BIDDULPH BURNS CRATHORN HOWCUTT MORGAN PODMORE SHELDRICK SMITH TAYLOR
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #11 on: Friday 25 November 05 21:22 GMT (UK) »
A local newspaper may have published a death announcement/obituary- that could give details of other family members, etc. 

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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #12 on: Friday 25 November 05 21:28 GMT (UK) »
1901 census RG13 2780 folio 11
Bulls? Walk Worcester  Worcestershire  
Fanny Smith 32  Worcester, Worcestershire,  Head Married No occupation
Joseph Smith 4  Worcester, Worcestershire, Son  
Lizzie Smith 8 weeks  Worcester, Worcestershire,  Daughter  

Unfortunately there is no husband with Fanny.

On FreeBMD a William Smith married in the March quarter of 1896 in Worcester volume 6c 303 (a few William Smiths married in Worcester  around this time so this is no big deal). When you cross reference the other names at this volume and page reference you find one of the woman's names is missing. Checking Fannys who married in the same quarter in Worcester you find Fanny Holland Volume 6c page 803 all on her own so possibly misindexed.
On the 1891 census a Fanny Holland born circa 1870 is staying with her cousins in Worcester. On the 1871 census there is a two year old Fanny Holland in Worcester with her family staying with the family of John R. Smith.

All a bit tenuous I know but perhaps an interesting lead.

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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #13 on: Friday 25 November 05 21:36 GMT (UK) »
Just had a look at the original image of the marriage index for Fanny Holland and it could well be page 303.

See what you think.

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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #14 on: Friday 25 November 05 21:38 GMT (UK) »
 Calver

george pardoe ( grans dad lived in Charlton, Worcestershire. so Geoffory COLLETT could be a friend of his

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forgot to say on marriage cert
it has the father willaim smith as a scalfolder

thank to everyone It is proving hard to know who is him if any
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