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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 07 December 05 13:24 GMT (UK) »
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The marriage was in 1891 not 98. So she would have been married - would expect more children older than Joseph but they might have died.


Sorry janan
I was not reading it right. Yes you would have expected more children. I am going to check the parish records again, if nothing then check other parish's near Angel row
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Townsend Bath Somerset
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 07 December 05 14:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jacqui
Let us know what you discover. Hope someone comes along who can check the census entries - I need to know Grin
Jan Wink

To recap the entries we need checking are:
1871
Fanny Townsend born Worcester  ?1857 living in Staffordshire
1881
Fanny Townsend born Brewood Staffs livng in Worcester with Charles and Kate Gibbs
1891
Fanny Smith born Worcester 1870 living in Worcester
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 07 December 05 14:54 GMT (UK) »
ok not sure if i understand you correctly. if you are asking for 1871 look up for fanny townsend then here it is-
living at wolverhampton in staffordshire 1871-
thomas prosser  aged30  born worcestershire
elizabeth aged 29yrs born manchester
children -
alfred 8yrs
emily jane 3yrs
mary.c 7 months
fanny townsend neice born worcester aged 14yrs nurse girl
SOURCE INFO-RG10/2937
FOLIO-120
PAGE-13
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somerset- quick,baker,stephens,atyeo
durham- marshall,fairbairn
worcestershire- stephens
gloucestershire - stephens
middlesex - chesney
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 07 December 05 15:02 GMT (UK) »
the fanny smith on the 1891 cencus in worcester is married to a frederick not a william.
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somerset- quick,baker,stephens,atyeo
durham- marshall,fairbairn
worcestershire- stephens
gloucestershire - stephens
middlesex - chesney
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 07 December 05 15:06 GMT (UK) »
the 1881 looks like this-
living at james street,worcester
charles gibbs 21yr old master baker
kate 26yrs
fanny townsend visitor aged 16yrs next to this it has written wifes sis but then has a line through it.
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somerset- quick,baker,stephens,atyeo
durham- marshall,fairbairn
worcestershire- stephens
gloucestershire - stephens
middlesex - chesney
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 07 December 05 15:46 GMT (UK) »

Not any further forward then jacqui Cheesy


Alli can you see any other Mary/Mary Ann/Fanny Townsend (Smith by 1891) born in Worcester circa 1869 ?

She has to be somewhere Huh
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 07 December 05 16:59 GMT (UK) »
ok i have this family
living in snenton,nottinghamshire in 1891
william smith 21yrs working in plastic mill born nottingham
fanny 22yrs born worcester bromsgrove
fanny 1yr old born nottinghamshire
william smith father 47yr old plasterer
how does this look?Huh
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somerset- quick,baker,stephens,atyeo
durham- marshall,fairbairn
worcestershire- stephens
gloucestershire - stephens
middlesex - chesney
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 07 December 05 17:00 GMT (UK) »
Ooh that looks good alli - what do you think jacqui?
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 07 December 05 17:05 GMT (UK) »
Can you have a look at this one for 1871 alli?

Not named Townsend born Bromsgrove circa 1871 living Worcestershire
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 07 December 05 17:14 GMT (UK) »
the not named townsend is a male. father edwin mother ann
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somerset- quick,baker,stephens,atyeo
durham- marshall,fairbairn
worcestershire- stephens
gloucestershire - stephens
middlesex - chesney
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 07 December 05 17:21 GMT (UK) »
Can't find a good match in 1881 - well other than unamed now known as Frank. Now if Fanny and William didn't have kids I'd be wondering Cheesy
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 07 December 05 17:53 GMT (UK) »
Back from the history museum

Bulls walk is in St Nicholoas Parish,  the next road Angel Row is in all saints parish.

So I looked in the all st saints parsih this time 

I have found the marriage for Fredrick joseph smith marrying fanny smith in 1896 in all saint parish
the maiden name of fanny was SMITH


I have found also in the All saints parish Records.  The baptism for  Joseph smith date of registration 16th august 1898
mother: Mary smith
farther :William smith
living at angel row
with is new information

I went to the 1901 census records for
Angel Row  Worcester
and found

William smith aged 39 head bricklayers labourer
born: Worcester
Mary smith    aged 38 wife  born somersetshire bath
Eliza?smith    aged 16 dau   born  Worcester
William smith aged 14  son             "        "
Martha smith aged 12 dau              "          "
Harriet smith  aged 10dau               "         "
Annie smith    aged 4  dau              "          "
Joe     smith    aged 2  son              "          "
RG13/2777
1901 fiche 73 
173-174


I also found  a burial of a William smith
address blackfriars
Date of burial Feb 15th 1924 aged 62 years
Could this be Joseph's father!!!
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 07 December 05 19:38 GMT (UK) »
1891 census RG12 2325 folio 61
No 9 Court 4 Doldy All Saints  Worcestershire   
Smith, William 27 All Saints Head Marrid Bricklayer's labourer
Smith, Mary Ann 26 All Saints Wife  Married 
Smith, Elizabeth 7 All Saints Daughter 
Smith, William 5 All Saints Son 
Smith, Mary Ann 3 All Saints Daughter
Smith, Harriet 6mths All Saints Daughter   

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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 07 December 05 19:50 GMT (UK) »
Fantastic Grin What do all those children mean for that 1891 marriage? is it not the one? or was William married before Huh
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge
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Re: help mystery joseph how do I trace him
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 07 December 05 20:03 GMT (UK) »
hi Valda

Does it say where Mary (wife) was born .   Is it still Bath or is All saints now?

I have tried to find them on the 1881 (as have no assess to the 1871 ) together in worcester and Bath.

With Mary living in Bath with family.
and with william in worcester with his family

but nothing coming up

Where has Martha gone or is Mary ann, Martha and maybe I didnt read the 1901 correct


janan

Are we sure that was the marriage if Mary came from Bath
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Townsend Bath Somerset
Bird worcestershire
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