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suemoo2
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Hi,
I am related to Daniel Newberry, 6th and last child of Richard Newberry b1772 and Elizabeth Maddle b1778.
Daniel was born 1815 and Christened 15 October 1815. He was convicted of stealing in Hertford Q.S. on 27 June 1836 and transported to Australia on the "Asia V (3)" (ie: the 5th transport by the name of "Asia" on her 3rd voyage as a convict transport). Sailed from Torbay, Devon UK on 4 August 1837. Daniel was transported for '14 years'.
She was ship-rigged, 523 tons, Class AE1, built in Calcutta in 1814 of Teak. The Master
was Ben Freeman. Surgeon was Jn. Gannon.
Daniel was listed as 21 years on entry in the Indent of the 'Asia'. 280 male convicts were
embarked in Torbay, UK, 3 died on the voyage, and 277 arrived in Sydney on 2 December
1837, after 120 days.
Daniel died 26 October 1873 aged 57 years at Charleyong NSW - Death registered NSW
Births Deaths & Marriages Registration No: 3523/1873 Charleyong, Braidwood District - surname shown as 'Newbury'.
Daniel married Margaret Jenkinson on 16 July 1844 (shown on church marriage register as "Jenkins") at Christ Church St. Lawrence, Sydney, County of Cumberland. Marriage
Registration No: V1844 4146 29/1844 MF District - 'MF' = Early Church Record Code for Church of England, Sydney, St. Lawrence's.
Groom's name shown as Daniel Newbury, Bride's name shown as 'Margaret Jenkins'.
Margaret was born 1807 - On the National Archives of Ireland website, Transportation of Convicts to Australia, name search results = 1 Only entry for Margaret Jenkinson, Trial date shown as June 1837 and her age being 26 = DOB 1811, BUT on ships indent for "Sir Charles Forbes" her age is shown as 30 = DOB 1807.
Margaret Jenkinson was transported to Australia on the ship "Sir Charles Forbes (4)" (ie: on her 4th voyage as a convict ship) which sailed from Dublin, Ireland on 8 August 1837 and arrived in Sydney on 25 December 1837. At sea for 136 days. 150 women
boarded and 147 arrived in Sydney. Master was Jas. Leslie and Surgeon was Wm. Clifford. Was listed as 'married' on transport indent. Maiden name and birthplace 'unknown'.
She was convicted of Larceny (stealing potatoes), property of "Ballymoat" Glenealy, County Wicklow, Ireland. Place of Trial: Co. Wicklow Sentence: Transportation 7 Years.
She was assigned to place in Elizabeth Street, Sydney. Broke her leg and admitted to Hyde Park Asylum. Institution admitted - Newington Asylum on 19 January 1885. Discharged (died) 13 April 1894 - Pauper at Newington Asylum, Sydney. Margaret
was Buried 14 April 1894 in Roman Catholic Cemetery, Rookwood NSW - Death registered NSW Births Deaths & Marriages Registration No: 5820/1894 - Granville District - Parents shown as 'Unknown'.
NB: 20 April 2009 - I contacted Rookwood Cemetery Catholic Office for details on where
Margaret Newberry (nee Jenkinson) was buried - where could I find her grave if I were to go to the cemetery. They requested a copy of her death certificate, which I sent and this is their reply:
"I have searched all the old record books (3 record books for each burial) and there is no
interment for Margaret Newberry in the Catholic Cemetery at Rookwood. I contacted the
other denominations, that is Anglican and Independent and they have advised that they had no interment.
Unfortunately, in the early years, the funeral directors filled out the papers prior to the
service and the cemetery would be changed but not the paperwork. I phoned Waverley
Cemetery as it happened quite a lot between Waverley and Rookwood but they advised
no interment for Margaret.
I really cannot help other than what I have already done. You may like to try other
cemeteries. Or maybe they had a burial ground in Newington Asylum."
2009: NB: Charleyong Cemetery - As the old Charleyong cemetery is on land owned by
the Sydney Catchment Authority (SCA) it is not open to the public and would be flooded if
the Welcome reef dam is ever built. Only 1 headstone remains today.
Braidwood Times Newspaper, Wednesday 21 January 2009 Edition: Front Page.
At the Historic Braidwood Cemetery a Memorial Wall recording burials of early
residents at the Charleyong Cemetery between 1864 and 1904 was unveiled.
Daniel Newberry is one of those pioneers buried in Charleyong but on the wall
his name has been incorrectly recorded as 'David' Newberry and his place of
death is recorded as England.
These details are of course totally incorrect - his one and only chance of having
his name recorded in stone and it has been blown.
see next posting re: Daniel's cousin - Thomas Omant.
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suemoo2
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NOTE: Daniel's partner in crime was his cousin, Thomas Omant born 1818.
Thomas was Christened on 18 January 1818 in Ickleford, Hertfordshire UK.
Thomas was transported "For Life" to Van Diemans Land (Tasmania) on the ship
"Blenheim" (1). Departed London/Woolwich 15 March 1837 and arrived in
Hobart 16 July 1837. 204 Convicts landed.
Thomas was a son of John Oment/Omant and Mary Newberry married on
18 May 1806 in Ickleford, Hertfordshire UK. Mary Newberry was 1st of 12 children born to Thomas Newberry b1762 and Ann Thompson b1763.
Thomas married Jane Eyles in Oatlands Tasmania, Australia in 1851. On the Archives
Office of Tasmania website - www.tas.gov.au - 'Convict Application to Marry 1829-1857' -
shows an entry for:
Jane Eyles (convict) and Thomas Omit (Omant) (free) 6 May 1851.
Jane Eleanor Eyles was a convict. She was transported to Van Diemans Land
(Tasmania) on the ship "Baretto Junior 1" (ie: the 1st transport by the name of Baretto
Junior as a convict transport). Departed Downs 13 April 1850 and arrived in Hobart
25 July 1850 after 103 days. 190 female convicts embarked, 4 died on voyage, and
186 landed. The Master was J. Hugging. Surgeon was R. Whitmore Clarke.
Jane was an inmate at "Cascades Female Factory" - on New Year's Day 1851 the
Cascades held 730 women and 130 infants.
Jane was born in Melksham, Wiltshire UK 1827/8 (she was listed as age 23 when she
arrived) and died in 1901 and was buried 19 March 1901 (Aged 73 years), her last address was 'New Town Charitable Institution'. Buried as a Pauper in Cornelian Bay Cemetery, Tasmania.
Thomas died in 1899 and was buried 25 July 1899 (Aged 84 years?) - his last address
was 'New Town Charitable Institution'. Buried as a Pauper in Cornelian Bay Cemetery,
Tasmania
My Newberry family information goes back to Joseph Newberry born before 1713 in Arlesey, Hertfordshire UK and was Chistened on 3 December 1766 in Arlesey, Hertfordshire UK. Joseph married by Banns, Arabella Ansel on 24 October 1733 in Ickleford, Hertfordshire UK. Joseph died in 1766 and was buried 3 December 1766 in Arlesey, Hertfordshire.
Arabella was born 16 January 1715 in Ickleford and died 26 March 1768 and was buried
27 March 1768 in Arlesey, Hertfordshire.
Arabella was the daughter of Thomas Ansel (born before 1694 and died April 1728, buried 2 May 1728 in Ickleford) and Elizabeth Richardson (born before 1694 in Arlesey). Thomas and Elizabeth were married 3 September 1714 Holwell, Hertfordshire. Thomas andElizabeth had two other children (Arabella's siblings) - Henry born 1717 and Thomas
born 1722.
Joseph & Arabella had 9 children.
Hope this information is of some help to those looking for Newberry family members.
Daniel Newberry was my great great grandfather.
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bedfordshire boy
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Just a couple of points from Arlesey parish register transcript:
"Joseph Newberry born before 1713 in Arlesey, Hertfordshire Bedfordshire, not Hertfordshire. But what evidence is there that he was from Arlesey? The baptism of Thomas in 1734 is the first Newberry entry in Arlesey parish register. Interestingly in a number of the early entries the name was described as Newberry alias Monk. Has any research been done on this alternative name? Again there are no earlier Monk entries in Arlesey UK and was Chistened on 3 December 1766 in Arlesey, Hertfordshire UK There's no baptism in the parish register and as it supposedly took place on the day he was buried I question it. I've heard of death bed baptisms, but not after death. Joseph married by Banns, Arabella Ansel on 24 October 1733 in Ickleford, Hertfordshire UK. Joseph died in 1766 and was buried 3 December 1766 in Arlesey, Hertfordshire.
Arabella was born 16 January 1715 in Ickleford and died 26 March 1768 No date of death is given in the parish register, just the burial date.and was buried 27 March 1768 in Arlesey, Hertfordshire. "
David
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alunno-a
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oh BLIMEY!!! Is the whole world descended from the Newbury/Monk/Ansells?? I am soooo confused.
David, would you please write a book on this subject, I would happily pay for publication........
Sally.
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WRY- Thompson,Cowburn,Walker, Glossop,
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all areas- Tuxworth
Lincs/ Notts- Graves, White, Wilson,Pedge,Tuxford, Bonner
Devon- Dean, Crode (also NFL) Coode, Tucker, Miles ( origin Hampshire)
Beds/Herts/ Northants- Newberry, Shepherd, Norton, Blackabey
Kent- Munn, Moore
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Newberrychaser
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I'm suddenly getting all kinds of email about James Newberry. It must be my lucky day! Does anyone in these replies have info on the Newberry's of Dorset and Devon around Colyton, Axminister, Yarcombe? Looking for 17th century immigrants to the New World.
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bedfordshire boy
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Hi Linda
Welcome to Rootschat
Every time I think this thread is dead it gets resurrected!
I think it's fairly straightforward to get Sophia back to Joseph Newberry alias Monk and Arabella Ansel. But there everyone gets stuck. I still think the alias Monk is worthy of further research, but although I have a Daniel in my database it's only because he was the first husband of Matilda Perkins whose second husband was a Furr of Hitchin, with whom I have no connection! He is probably connected to "my" Furrs of Southill but I can't prove the link. Some day when I've completely run out of lines to follow, I may try to do some detailed research into the Monk angle. But that day hasn't arrived yet. But I don't think this is the same Daniel as yours, as he was baptised in 1817 the son of Thomas and Mary, and was buried in Ickleford in 1849.
Shout if you need any help
Did Sophia marry William Hunt of Hitchin at Ickleford?
David
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Newberrychaser
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Hi Newberry mavens:
Here I am, back talking about the Newberry folks in the U.S.
I have found one link back in the UK that might be of interest to all of you. Thomas Newberry, the first person of the surname NEWBERRY, arrived in New England at Dorchester, MA in 1634 and died in 1635, just as he was elected to high office in the Massachusetts Bay Company. He had two surviving sons, one was Benjamin and the other was Joseph. Benjamin stayed in New England at Windsor, Ct., and made a name for himself; while his brother Joseph went back to Marshwood Vale, Dorset (circa 1647), and looked after the family assets on a 99 year lease bequeathed to them by their grandfather Christopher Dabinott. There was some defugalty over the land with his cousins - one named Morgan Haine and his cohorts. Joseph's uncle Robert bought the land to end the dispute. I am unsure of where Joseph went after that. Could he or his sons have gone into Beds or Herts? Just a thought for everyone to consider.
One other interesting thing to consider, Joseph and Benjamin had a brother named John, who committed a crime in New England and was sentenced to hang about 1647. Is it just a coincidence that Joseph returned to England around that time? Could he have taken his brother John with him back to England to spare him the hangman's noose? I have scoured the record looking for an entry that John was actually hanged and found nothing. I did however find he escaped prison and his accomplice was caught. Unfortunately, I have not found corroborating evidence to prove that he was hung, or that he went back to England.
On another note, I am the administrator for the Newberry Family DNA Project here in the U.S. Below is a description of the project if anyone is interested in joining.
In January 2009 we launched the Newberry DNA surname project. So far, there have been several lines of the Newberry family mapped. Only two have turned up close ties. We are still lacking a test subject who is definitively related to colonial Thomas Newberry of Dorchester, MA, who arrived in New England in 1634. We are building good framework that will hopefully become useful to people who are searching out their family lines. We hope to also test gentlemen from contemporary Newberry families who currently reside in the UK. The two haplogroups that have been identified thus far are R1b and I1. The company we are working with is DNA Consultants of Phoenix, Arizona - see DNAconsultants.com. If anyone is interested in testing there is a group discount on any test that you might be interested in taking, as long as it pertains to the Newberry family. You may contact me at goldsage@aol.com. Our fondest wish is to find a person who is descended from the New England family of Thomas Newberry who left from Dorset Co. England (Marshwood Vale) in April 1634* arrived in Dorchester, MA in the same year and died there in 1635. Test participants for the YDNA test, MUST BE male descended from father to son and bear the surname NEWBERRY. If there are male members of the Newberry family, who have had their DNA tested elsewhere and would like to add their line to our study, please contact me. Sue Simonich goldsage@aol.com
 Sue
*William Whiteway's Diary.
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Linda63
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Hello bedfordshire boy.
Thanks for the welcome. 
Sophia did indeed marry William Hunt. They were married on 8 February 1834 in Ickleford. Their daughter Sarah Hunt is my Gr Gr Grandmother.
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bedfordshire boy
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The earliest Newberry parish register entry in Beds was in Woburn in 1576 when William Newberry married Joan Allin. They were buried in 1589 and 1586 respectively. No children were baptised. The next Newberry wasn't for almost another hundred years in Husborne Crawley, close to Woburn, when Thomas baptised John. Whilst I can't see a marriage for Thomas, Dorset is 150 miles away so wouldn't be the first place I'd look.
In Herts there are Americans who believe that a Thomas Newberry born c1635 at Berkhamstead married c1672 in Hartford Conn., whereas others think the marriage was in Berkhamstead. Apart from a couple of early entries in Watford, the next entry is "our" Joseph in 1733 in Ickleford. So much the same as Beds, although I don't believe that Herts coverage on the IGI is as complete as Beds
So sticking my scrawny little neck out, it doesn't look to me as though there's a link between Dorset and Beds/Herts. I think it more likely that the early Beds names could have come from Bucks, given the proximity of Woburn and Husborne Crawley to the county boundary with Bucks, where there were also Newberrys
David
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There seem to be a lot of mysterious Newberry people. During the early periods of Puritanism, it seems that members took their children outside of their parish to be baptized. Such was supposedly the case with the first Newberry in America, Thomas Newberry. The IGI says that his children were baptized in Worcester, of all places, yet, he was from Dorset (Marshwood Vale). The baptisms have been searched in Dorset, and a probable cousin of his - Walter Newburgh - was the Rector of Symondsbury, not far from his home. The distant baptisms idea was in an book I read recently.
Thomas departed for America in 1634 from Dorchester, as per William Whiteway's Diary - now in the British Museum. I was interested in the marriage you mentioned above of William Newberry and Joan Allin, because the New England colonist, Thomas Newberry's daughter married into the Allyn family in America.
Thanks one and all for the interesting topics of conversation. *~Sue~*
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alunno-a
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Forgive me Sue,
but surely if you "take" a child to be baptised somewhere, that somewhere IS your parish. Unless the Clerk notes that you are from a differant Parish and that the child was born in a differant Parish then the Parish you are in is "yours". Parish records are/were legal documents that establish a a right of charge on that parish- and no incumbent would have registered a "stray" without noting the fact. Maybe the book was referring to non conformist baptism records, rather than Parish Records, which are not the same thing!!
sorry to be pedantic!
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Devon- Dean, Crode (also NFL) Coode, Tucker, Miles ( origin Hampshire)
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Newberrychaser
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Surely, you were not trying to be pedantic at all, so you are forgiven.
I will find the reference that states this fact, and get back to you all. I was as surprised and disturbed by this as you apparently were. It's not as if we need this new complication added to research - right?
Puritanism of the time seemed to have some odd practices. This information came out of a book that I borrowed from the library about three months ago, but I have the reference written down.
Were there non-conformist Baptists in the 1630's in England?
Sue
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bedfordshire boy
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The IGI is about the best research aid going, but only when you look at entries extracted from parish registers or bishops' transcripts. It's been debased by members adding the type of entry to which you refer.
I can't see any Newberry baptisms in Worcester on the IGI. I can see a load of births, all member submissions which are at best unreliable. Some entries have these children of Thomas Newberry and Jane Dabitoff as all being born in Worcester, other entries show them as being born in Yarcombe Devon, others again as being born in Marshwood Dorset, and others as some of them born in Conn. In other words, and excuse me for being cynical, no-one has a clue where they were from. When there are three separate theories coming out of America as to where they were from in England then I'm pretty sure there's no conclusive evidence, and folks are clutching at straws.
Yarcombe parish register has been extracted onto the IGI - plenty of Newberrys but no children of Thomas baptised at the right time
There is no parish of Marshwood or Marshwood Vale in Dorset, although it seems to be a few miles from Bridport, as was Symondsbury, whose parish register isn't on the IGI. Has this parish register been checked for any Newberry baptisms? But IF the family was from Marshwood Vale (does William Whiteway's Diary give Thomas' home parish?) presumably there were other nearby parishes the children could have been baptised at.
There's more than one parish in Worcester so I've no idea which one the children were allegedly baptised at, although again, they don't appear on the IGI as extracted entries. Some entries show birth dates in Worcester going up to 1642, which, if they're correct, says to me that this can't be the Thomas who emigrated in 1634. And once one entry is demonstrably wrong then the rest tumble down like a house of cards. Why did you place any credence on these Worcester entries which show five children born in Worcester after Thomas had emigrated? I don't buy the story that children were born in Dorset and they then traipsed 130 miles each way to Worcester to get baptised.
Siblings of my 16xg grandfather went to New England on the Mayflower. They and their children were all baptised in the established church, notwithstanding their puritanism.
David
All Baptists were non-conformist! I think they were anabaptists at that time. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puritan
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