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Topic: The Mysterious James NEWBERRY (Read 2007 times)
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bedfordshire boy
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Have you tried locating him in 1841 when he should, with a bit of luck, have still been living with his parents?
At that time Holwell was still in Beds - it wasn't transferred to Herts until 1897
HO107/003-08 folio 6A
Cadwell, Holwell
Mary Newberry 45 Not born in county ie not born in Beds
William Newberry 30 Born in county
Sarah Newberry 24 Not bic
Mary Newberry 15 Bic
Thomas Newberry 13 Bic
James Newberry 11 Bic
Jane Newberry 9 Bic
Maria Newberry 1 Bic
There's a Mary Newberry baptised in 1826 in Holwell, then Thomas, James and Jane all baptised in Ickleford all at the right times, all children of Thomas and Mary.
A Thomas Newbury was buried at Holwell on 15 Dec 1833 age 44. There were no Joseph Newberry's buried in either Herts or Beds at the right time and of the right age.
So in response to your question. No I don't think you were correct in eliminating the baptism in 1831 in Ickleford. But there were a lot of Joseph Newberrys in Ickleford so I would also ask for alook up in Ickleford on the HErts board in 1841 to see if there any more James Newberrys
Regards
David
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johnP-bedford
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..& Mrs Reardon said he has a brother somewhere..
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Laurina
I was looking into a topic posted on the Northamptonshire lookups - for Tomlin of Wellingborough. On 1851 census a William Tomlin b 1811 Wellingborough, a Tailor, is lodger with a family of Newberrys in Hitchin Hill, Hitchin Herts. These are :-
Sarah Newberry, Head b 1816 Hitchin
Mary Newberry, Sister b 1826 Hitchin
both Unmarried - & I guess are the daughters of Thomas Newberry & Mary Oakley
In this family are daughter Maria Newberry age 10 , son John Newberry age 43 & son George Newberry age 1. Looking at the IGI found Maria & John listed with second name Tomlin, & mother as Sarah Newberry. So are these the children of William Tomlin & Sarah Newberry ?
Living next door in Hitchin Hill is James Newberry b 1831 in Holwell, a Bricklayers Labourer, wife Martha, & son George.
I am assuming these 2 households are related & thus James is also son of Thomas & Mary.
So is there another James son of Joseph, who by chance also married a Martha ; or is the same person that you are looking for 
regards John
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Anne C
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 Have you found out any more about James Newberry? I am a descendant of Thomas Newberry and Mary Oakley. My family tree goes as follows: Thomas Newberry was married 1st to Frances Hull, with whom he had William (b.1810) and Mary (b.1812). Mary Oakley was his 2nd wife, with whom he had Sarah (b.1816), Daniel (b.1817), John (b.1819) - my ancestor, Francis (b.1821), George (b.1824), Mary (b.1826), Thomas (b.1828) and James (b.1831 at Holwell). Ickleford is apparently now part of Hitchin, and Holwell is very close by. In some censuses they appeared not to distinguish between them, as John Newberry's son George (my g.g.g.father) is shown variously as having been born in both of them! Hope I have been of some help.
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Anne C
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Hi Laurina
What a fast reply. Yes I have the line back to Joseph Newberry and Arabella Ansel. You don't have Margaret Newber(r)y, because she died in Southampton aged 10. I looked for her marriage for a long time before I discovered this on Ancestry some time ago. Grace Newbery was my great grandmother - my mother remembers her well, and she has dimmer memories of Will Monnery (William George), who was her grandfather, as he died when she was quite a young child. All Monnerys in South Africa (and there are quite a lot of them) are descended from Grace Newbery. A person contacted me from Australia last week with the news that a certain Daniel Newberrry (born in 1815, son of Richard Newberry, b 1772) was transported to Australia for stealing iron. He had a daughter there (also Margaret), but there are no descendants with the name Newberry. However, there seems to be quite a big family there, as Daniel's cousin Thomas Omant, son of a Newberry mother, was also transported with him. Regards, Anne.
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Newberrychaser
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Hello:
My surname interest is Newberry and I found your posts for Bedforshire. My James Newberry is evident in the U.S. having been born in New York in 1791. I am currently trying to go backward through time and see if I can locate the parents of his first ancestor in America who was Richard Newberry born ca. 1620?. I am looking at one family that may have come from Berkshire, but I am still in a metaphorical whirlpool with this family trying to sort things out. Have you been able to work out your history back to the 1600's? Do you know of any immigrants to New England for your Newberry clan?
Thanks for answering.
Sue
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Anne C
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Hello Sue
Sorry, no knowledge of emigrants to America from the Bedfordshire/ Hertfordshire Newberrys, although there are descendants in Australia and South Africa. A couple of years ago when I started researching my family history, a man on Genesreunited said I should investigate a village called Preston Capes, so I googled it. The spelling there was Newbery, and I could find no connection with my family there, but maybe you could.
Good luck!
Anne C.
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Newberrychaser
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Thank you Anne and Laurina for your replies. Do either of you have knowledge about the following Newberry people? I am especially interested in Walter in this list. We have two unplaced Newberrys here in the early New England history, that is, we don't know where they came from originally. One is Walter of Rhode Island, and the other is Richard of Weymouth, MA.
I suspect they actually come from co. Dorset, but the Walter in this list is a possiblity because of his birth date.
Thanks so much ladies.
[Christenings at West Ilsley, Berkshire, England.]
1. HENRICUS [HENRY] NEWBERY
Gender: Male Christening: 25 AUG 1646 West Ilsley, Berkshire, England
PARENTS shown as Humfredi and Sarae Newbery.
2. BENJAMEN [BENJAMIN] NEWBERY
Gender: Male Christening: 03 NOV 1652 West Ilsley, Berkshire, England
PARENTS not indicated.
3. SARAH NEWBERY
Gender: Female Christening: 01 SEP 1654 West Ilsley, Berkshire, England
PARENTS not indicated.
4. GUALTHERUS [WALTER] NEWBERY
Gender: Male Christening: 04 APR 1648 West Ilsley, Berkshire, England
PARENTS shown as Humfredi and Sarae Newbery.
5. NATHANAEL [NATHANIEL] NEWBERY
Gender: Male Christening: 27 NOV 1649 West Ilsley, Berkshire, England
PARENTS shown as Humfredi and Sarae Newbery.
6. FRANCIS NEWBERY
Gender: Male Christening: 17 APR 1651 West Ilsley, Berkshire, England
PARENTS not indicated.
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A compilation of possible origins for the above given names:
HUMPHREY (Humphry / Humfredi / Humfredus): Means "peaceful warrior" from the Germanic elements hun "warrior" and frid "peace". The Normans introduced this name to Britain.
HENRY (Henrici / Hernicus): From the Germanic name Heimerich which meant "home ruler", composed of the elements heim "home" and ric "power, ruler". This name was introduced into Britain by the Normans. It was borne by eight kings of England including the infamous Henry VIII, as well as six kings of France and seven kings of Germany.
WALTER (Gaultherus / Gauthier / Gaulthems): From a Germanic name meaning "ruler of the army", composed of the elements wald "rule" and heri "army".
NATHANAEL (Nathaniel): From the Hebrew name Nethane'el which meant "God has given".
BENJAMIN (Benjamen):From the Hebrew name Binyamin which means "son of the south" or "son of the right hand". Benjamin in the Old Testament was the twelfth and youngest son of Jacob and the founder of one of the southern tribes of the Hebrews.
FRANCIS: From the Late Latin name Franciscus which meant "Frenchman". Saint Francis of Assisi, the founder of the Franciscan order of friars.
SARAI (Sarah / Sarae): Means "lady" or "princess" in Hebrew. This was the name of the wife of Abraham in the Old Testament. She became the mother of Isaac at the age of 90. Her name was originally Sarai, but God changed it (see Genesis 17:15).
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