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surfmate
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1851 lookup - HARPER
« on: Sunday 04 December 05 10:28 UTC (UK) »
Could someone do a lookup in 1851 for James Harper b 1813 in Paisley. Married to Catherine, don't know about children. Found him in 1861 in Paisley, but with parents.
If not in Paisley, a search wider afield would be appreciated

Steve
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Falkyrn
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Re: 1851 lookup - HARPER
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 04 December 05 12:33 UTC (UK) »
Sorry, I can find no trace of a James Harper of that age in the 1851 index for Renfrewshire
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surfmate
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Re: 1851 lookup - HARPER
« Reply #2 on: Monday 05 December 05 09:07 UTC (UK) »
This man is proving to be elusive. Not found in 1851 or 1871 and with parents in 1861. He died in 1878, married to Catherine Bell. He was born in 1813 in Paisley and listed in 1861 as a shawl weaver.

Where could he be?  Age possibly wrong or illegible in census?  Living in another county?

Would someone be able to check 1851/71 for a James Harper and wife Catherine regardless of age

Thanks,

Steve
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Re: 1851 lookup - HARPER
« Reply #3 on: Monday 05 December 05 11:56 UTC (UK) »
I've checked the 1851 index for Glasgow and for lanarkshire County area with no success for  James and Catherine Harper - there are a few James' and a very few Catherine Harper's but none of them together.
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surfmate
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Re: 1851 lookup - HARPER
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 06 December 05 09:18 UTC (UK) »
The puzzle continues!!  Given that I found him in 1861 in Paisley(with parents), can someone do a lookup in 1861 for a Catherine Harper, married, but with no husband present on census night. Expect her age to be 40-50

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Re: 1851 lookup - HARPER
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 06 December 05 12:08 UTC (UK) »
Could it perhaps be a late marriage ..... there is a 43 yr old Catherine Bell living in Port Glasgow in the 1851 index she is the only one aged between 25 and 45 in the index. (The nearest Catherine Harper is aged 22)
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surfmate
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Re: 1851 lookup - HARPER
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 07 December 05 10:18 UTC (UK) »
James married a Catherine Bell in 1834 and died in 1878 and on cert. listed as being married to Catherine Bell. So I don't know anything about him between those years apart from being in the 1861 Census. If anyone has any ideas for my next investigative steps, they would be greatly appreciated.

Steve
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Re: 1851 lookup - HARPER
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 07 December 05 12:07 UTC (UK) »
What are the parents details (where he is in 1861) .... I'll check them in the 1851 index ... at least it would be one line of enquiry ruled out.
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surfmate
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Re: 1851 lookup - HARPER
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 08 December 05 08:51 UTC (UK) »
1861 Census 559/01 024/01 017

Parish of Abbey, Burgh of Paisley

No. 83 18 Gt Hamilton Street

Robert Harper, head, marr, age 73, Shawl Weaver, born Paisley
Janet Harper, wife, marr, age 76, born Paisley
James Harper, son, marr, age 47, Shawl weaver, born Paisley
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Re: 1851 lookup - HARPER
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 08 December 05 09:07 UTC (UK) »
Still no sign of the elusive James but .......

Abbey Parish of Paisley ward 474 enum 24 page 11 no's 5 - 9

Robert Harper aged 63
Janet Harper aged 67
Robert Harper aged 16
David Harper aged 15
William Harper aged 11

and next door

Thomas Harper aged 26
Janet Harper aged 22
James harper aged 2
Janet Harper aged 1

474/enum 24 page 11 No's 1-4
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surfmate
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Re: 1851 lookup - HARPER
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 08 December 05 10:29 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Falkryn. He is not in the 1841 for Paisley either.
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Re: 1851 lookup - HARPER
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 08 December 05 17:58 UTC (UK) »
There are a couple of possibles in Glasgow in 1841 ....

family 1

James Harper aged 30
Mrs Harper aged 30
James 7,William 5, Marion 1

all living in Gorbals Proper, par 6442, enum 56, page 4, line 19 - 23

Family 2

James Harper aged 25
Mrs Harper aged 25

no children
both living in Hutchesontown par 6442 enum 69, page 14 line 9 - 10.
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Re: 1851 lookup - HARPER
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 16 May 09 14:40 UTC (UK) »
Hi Steve,

I have a James Harper born about 1824 Paisley.
Don't know his parent's names.

Married 16 May 1851 to Catherine Keith, Middle Church, Paisley.

They had 5 children:
Isabella Harper born 1856
Mary Harper 1856
Sarah Harper 1859
William Harper 1861
Catherine Harper about 1876

The mother Catherine (Keith) Harper born 1824 Paisley died 1901 Barrhead.  Parent's : James Keith and Isabella McArthur.

I am from the Keith line thru Catherine Keith's sister Sarah Keith.

Tom
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