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philmalin46
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Carol,
Ah Walter, I was told about Walter but could find no information on him probably because he was born after the 1901 census was taken. The only thing my Dad told me was that Mabels brother Walter, worked on the railways. That is all the info I had on Walter.
So George and Harriett had 3 other children, wow, that is quite a few.
I am guessing Walter was the last. i take it you did mean that they were Georges children.
I havent looked around all the messages yet it is still hard to take in all the info i have already.
So i suppose we will both be looking for info, on George and Ellens family.
Any pointers you could give where to look.
Phil
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carol02
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Hi Phil Do you have a marriage certificate for Mabel, it would help if i knew where she got married, it would give an address and witnesses. Carol
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philmalin46
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carol, i dont know, i will have to ask my dad, unfortunatley he is technophobe and not very good with paper work. I will ask him but it will take time. as soon as he comes up with something i will contact you.
a question how far back do census's go ?
phil
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carol02
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1841 census is now on line for Warwickshire. carol
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avm228
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In case it's of any use to anyone, I also have some Warwickshire Skelseys in my tree (related by marriage, not blood).
My distant cousin Ellen Clarke (born Weybread, Suffolk) married a William Skelsey in Warwick Q2. William was born in Lillington, Warwicks abt 1840. The 1851 census shows him aged 10 living with his family in Leamington.
William's father is shown in 1851 as being Joseph Skelsey (mistranscribed as Skilsey), 53, Gardener, b Cubbington.
William and Ellen Skelsey had 5 children in Lillington/Leamington/Milverton by 1901 (Henry Christopher, Laura Letitia, Mabel Lilian, Ellen Annie and Francis James) but I know nothing about what became of them after 1901.
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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chris_49
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In case it's of any use to anyone, I also have some Warwickshire Skelseys in my tree (related by marriage, not blood).
My distant cousin Ellen Clarke (born Weybread, Suffolk) married a William Skelsey in Warwick Q2. William was born in Lillington, Warwicks abt 1840. The 1851 census shows him aged 10 living with his family in Leamington.
William's father is shown in 1851 as being Joseph Skelsey (mistranscribed as Skilsey), 53, Gardener, b Cubbington.
William and Ellen Skelsey had 5 children in Lillington/Leamington/Milverton by 1901 (Henry Christopher, Laura Letitia, Mabel Lilian, Ellen Annie and Francis James) but I know nothing about what became of them after 1901.
Anna
Thanks Anna,
We (Carol02 and I) knew about William and Ellen (Ellen, much younger, was his 2nd wife) and have traced what happened to some of his siblings. If you are interested in more details we have some.
Unfortunately Joseph is the only Cubbington Skelcey we have been unable to place in birth records. All others from there seem to be descended from Joseph Skelcher and Mary Flour - all their grandchildren seemed to change their name to Skelcey which may have been the original name. The only guess we have is that Joseph might be Johm? Skelcher born 1798. This is a bit of a long shot as Johm is given as female - but whoever heard of such a name? We know it's not meant to be John because there was already a surviving elder brother John in this family. It's possible that it's another mistranscription - we're always finding Skelcey as S Kelsey, and Avis read as A(squiggle) and transcribed as Ann - someone making a best guess, and children given the wrong gender. It's possible this was an unreadable Jo(squiggle) that someone has had a go at interpreting.
All best, Chris
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Skelcey (Skelsey Skelcy Skeley Shelsey Kelcy Skelcher) - Warks, Yorks, Lancs
Hancox - Warks
Green - Warks
Draper - Warks
Morris - Denbs Mont Salop
Davies - Cheshire, North Wales
Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire
Hicks - Cornwall
Lloyd and Jones (Mont)
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avm228
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Johm? How odd. I suppose Jo-squiggle could be Johanna (if really female) or Joseph/Josh.
Do you have any info as to what happened to William and Ellen's children? They're rather distant rellies of mine (3rd cousins 3 times removed) but it's always nice to know about the kin!
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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chris_49
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Johm? How odd. I suppose Jo-squiggle could be Johanna (if really female) or Joseph/Josh.
Do you have any info as to what happened to William and Ellen's children? They're rather distant rellies of mine (3rd cousins 3 times removed) but it's always nice to know about the kin!
Anna
Yes, we thought it might be Johanna, we really don't know. I never thought of Josh - not so different from Johm.
The info I have is mainly on Wm's siblings, so no relation of yours. As to the children, Carol has :
"William and Ellen had Laura Letitia 1899. Mabel Lilian 1892, Frederick William 1897, Francis James, 1899, born Leamington cont Henry Christopher 1889 born Lillington, Ellen Elizabeth 1894, Arthur Ernest 1903 and Edith May 1904 born Leamington. William's first marriage was in 1866 to Clara Jane Docker in Wolverhampton, She died in 1872 age 32, they had a daughter marion edith born 1867 was christened at st paul's leamington 29 jul 1877 age 10, she died in 1890." This all seems to tie up with your info from the 1901.
After that we are stuck until 1911 comes out except for FreeBMD, and I think these children are a little young to come up on there before 1911-14, when their data peters out, at least for now. I've just looked up Carol's researches into Skelcey marriages both there and at Warwick records office (unlike me she still lives nearby) but there are no matches to Wm and Ellen's children. It's possibe they left the area,
All best, Chris
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Skelcey (Skelsey Skelcy Skeley Shelsey Kelcy Skelcher) - Warks, Yorks, Lancs
Hancox - Warks
Green - Warks
Draper - Warks
Morris - Denbs Mont Salop
Davies - Cheshire, North Wales
Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire
Hicks - Cornwall
Lloyd and Jones (Mont)
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avm228
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Many thanks, Chris. That gives me two new cousins I didn't know about!
Best wishes 
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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chris_49
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Many thanks, Chris. That gives me two new cousins I didn't know about! Best wishes Anna
Hi Anna, Carol has found a couple of the children marrying:
"The only marriage I have is Laura Letitia marrying William Fergus Middleton 18 sep 1920,All Saints parish church. Henry Christopher married Rose Price 1913 they had a daughter christened 6 sep 1914"
All Saints Leamington I assume. I'd better not name the daughter as she might just be alive & still using that name!
All best, Chris
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Skelcey (Skelsey Skelcy Skeley Shelsey Kelcy Skelcher) - Warks, Yorks, Lancs
Hancox - Warks
Green - Warks
Draper - Warks
Morris - Denbs Mont Salop
Davies - Cheshire, North Wales
Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire
Hicks - Cornwall
Lloyd and Jones (Mont)
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avm228
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That's terrific - many thanks to you and also to Carol.
Were the daughter's (given) initials E.M., F.E. or R.M. by any chance?
Anna
Modified: scratch that about the initials - I'm barking up the wrong tree!
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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chris_49
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What I found puzzling is that in 1881, 1891 and 1901 SkelSeys were found in a variety of counties (Middlesex, Yorkshire, Durham, Wiltshire etc) whilst the Skelcey and Skelcy variants were confined to central Warwickshire. You'd think that the spelling confusion could arise anywhere. Could it be that the other Skelseys pronounce their name Skelzey (compare Wolsey, Halsey, Ramsey etc) and the pronunciation changed in Cubbington and district because of the Skelsey/Skelcher merger? Any Skelseys around with the "z" sound?
I don't know whether it's the done thing to reply to your own post, but I realise now why the non-Warwickshire ones are consistently Skelsey while the Warwickshire ones are so variable. It's all a matter of literacy. Those who stayed behind tended to be semi-literate farm workers who, though they could probably sign their names, left the writing and spelling to the enumerator, which is why so many of them have different spellings on different censuses.
Those who left the area, however, took up professional occupations and were capable of insisting on the particular spelling they thought was right - this includes all the ones in Northern England and some of the London ones - the unrelated London ones including the Wiltshire ones might pronounce it Skelzey for all I know.
Chris
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Skelcey (Skelsey Skelcy Skeley Shelsey Kelcy Skelcher) - Warks, Yorks, Lancs
Hancox - Warks
Green - Warks
Draper - Warks
Morris - Denbs Mont Salop
Davies - Cheshire, North Wales
Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire
Hicks - Cornwall
Lloyd and Jones (Mont)
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BushInn1746
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Have you come across please any "Kelsey" or "Skelsey" wills or documents with references to the places of Stockingford; Nuneaton Parish; Ansley (Anceley), Warwickshire, or the "Paget" name (1680 to 1780)?
Various Kelsey's (Wm; Benjamin and John) occupied lands of Sir Willoughby (Willughby) Aston in the Stockingford Survey of 1690.
Joseph Kelsey and Joshua Kelsey are also mentioned in Lord Paget's (also Lord of Nuneaton and Stockingford Manors) Arrears of 1735 and 1746 Survey respectively.
Thanks
Mark Hood
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