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casalguidi
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Hi Paul
It's a difficult one to decide when they are recorded without names during those early years but there were an awful lot of travelling Gypsies in Kent at times. During my research into travelling Gypsy families of (primarily) South East Kent, I have found that Traveller, more often than not, does actually mean "Gypsy". If you find that other items are recorded as "Sojourner", "Stranger" or "of ........" in the same period then I would suggest that there was a difference 
Casalguidi
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Clare Fowler
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Hi Paul,
On the site for BMDs for Scotland, they have a occupations list. In that, Traveller is listed as "
Dealer who travels and sells to customers in their own homes" - kind of a door to door salesman I guess. However, it does not give timescales for when this term was used or if it was only used in Scotland.
Cheers,
Clare
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ELLIOT, CROZIER, HAY, AITCHISON, COWAN - Roxburghshire
BETT - Kinross-shire, Fife and Glasgow
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paulr
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Thank you
I have looked at some more records and there are enough to have made quite an impact on the areas of which I speak.
Some have names recorded i.e Henry the son of henry stone traveler or non at all like child of a traveler buried etc etc.
I must admit I was very surprised by the volume in what must have been very sparsly populated areas.
I know Kent has a history of Romney's & Gypsy's and they def differentiate from foreigners as there are many entries lie "3 Irishmen were buried" etc
There are of course Baptisms as well like Henry son of a traveler baptized or Henry son of a Travelling Woman Baptized.
I always had a view that in rural society people stayed more where they lived but in Ash Near Ripley for example, it lists the maiden names and Parish of birth and although not a million miles away, most are from outside of the Village.
It may be that Ash is a strange example as not many people live there today so it may have been a place where people could get seasonal work on the land.
Its an interesting one as I cant think of any other reason for the amount of "Travelers" unless they were Gypsy's or transient workers that moved about following work. Where must they all have lived?
It is obvious a large percentage of them must have died early so perhaps their life was tougher than the norm even back then.
Cheers
Paul
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loo
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Re: Traveller?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 10 December 05 21:42 UTC (UK) » |
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I think it must mean both gypsy and salesperson, depending.
In recent usage, we have the terms "commercial traveller" and "travelling salesman" (at least in Canada we do!). One doesn't hear them as often now, especially "commercial traveller", but, to my understanding, they both mean someone who "travels" to sell their wares, normally by car, either retail or wholesale. When I was younger you used to see them usually station wagons, full of stuff. I suppose they're still out there, but I don't see them as often - perhaps replaced by the internet!
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Jones the Search
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Re: Traveller?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 10 December 05 23:56 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi Paul,
I have a traveler in my family, it puzzled me at first as I only had the 1881 census to look at.
As soon as I saw the 1891 census it all became clear 
My Gt Gt Grandfather James Occomore age 52, was in 1871 a "Railway Clerk"
By 1881 age 62, he was recorded as "Traveler (LNH railway)"
In 1891 age 72 "Railway Traveler (Goods Traffic) R.Guard"
and finally by 1901 age 82 "Living on own means"
Just thought I would throw that in the ring 
Patricia
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