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cynda
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I am interested in JAMES CROZIER vicar of Weston in Nantwich in 1881. My grandmother was in service to him and his family and I am interested to know when he left Weston and where he went after that.
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redshank
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In 1891 he was Rector of Coston in Leicestershire. He was a widower and living at the Rectory with Jane, Emily, Temple and Graham and two domestic servants Thirza Price and Virtile Clarke.
In 1901 he was still there, aged 80, living with Emily Augustine Harvey his daughter and two grandchildren Emily and Charles Harvey. There were also 4 servants - Alice Bailey, Eliza England, Mary Preston and Charles Waller.
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Thanks for that information. Will enable me to look into his movements a bit more easily.
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Ter1
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I am struggling to confirm the parentage of William Brockley born around 1813-1815 according to Census returns but 1812 according to details from his death certificate. He was born in Leighton nr Crewe and later married a Sarah latham in 1836. I have found information of a marriage between a William Brockley and Elizabeth Barrow in the Bishop's records (Nantwich) ref MF 264/41 No 37 CRO for 19/01/1814 and subsequently the birth of a son William to William and Elizabeth Brockley on 21st March 1815 at Leighton green,(MF 35/2 Coppenhall No61) However I am now uncertain whether this is possible because of the date extrapolated from the Death certificate.? Is anyone able to help?
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peterbennett
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Hi
Welcome to Rootschat 
Is the birth you found 1815 a birth or a baptism ?
Is it possible he was born before the marriage ie named Barrow until the marriage. Or to an Hodgkinson female.
Ages detailed in Marriage/Death certificates and census are notoriously unreliable and not to be taken as "fact"
The 1841 census will round down ages to the nearest "five"
Does his marriage record in 1836 give any details of other persons, maybe witness etc.
Have you tried a 1841/51 census search for the "parents"
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peterbennett
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Ter1
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Hi Peter, and many thanks for the prompt reply. William was born on the 21st march and christened on April 30th, 1815 in Leighton Green according to the Bishops records for Coppenhall.
The 1841 census records his age as 25 which suggests he was born even as late as 1816. The 1851 census records him as being 36 ,thus making 1815 the birthyear.
His son Peter, my Great grandfather, registered his death as 66 yrs, thus my problem.
His marriage was witnessed by a Charles Ashley and John Briscall and there apppears to be no lead there!
Perhaps I should try and access his parentage through his siblings?
I must also review the 1841 census details again to see if I can make the connection there as you suggest? Should I be looking for a 'Brockley' living as a head of household in the same area, aged about 50yrs, as a possible lead as I really do not have strong information on possible Christian names other than William, Samuel, Thomas, John and Joseph as regular family names as a guide? Many thanks again, Ter
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peterbennett
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Hi
I noticed that you may have a possible father William who married a Elizabeth Barrow, I have followed this marriage through and found that Elizabeth seems to have died as William married again as a widower 20/12/1832 a widow Margaret Jones at Nantwich I am fairly certain this is the correct family. I have sorted the 41/51 census info
1841 HO107-117-8-Page 5 Leighton
William Brockley 45/50 farmer All born in county
Margaret 35/40
Thomas 20/25
John 15/20
Ann 6
Joseph 3
1851 HO107-2169-Folio735 Leighton
William Brockley head 59 farmer Haslington
Margaret wife 47 Cartmel ?
Peter son 30 Leighton
Anna daug 16 ~
Margaret 9 ~
I think its the next page that shows son Thomas
Thomas Brockley head 32 ag/lab Leighton
Harriet wife 31 Wincham
Mary daug 5 Leighton
Thomas son 4
Anna daug 3
John son 4 months
It looks as if the naming pattern with Peter showing up in 51 makes this family look a very good bet.
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Ter1
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Hello again Peter, I think you have helped me sort this one out? Assuming that the death certificate info is not entirely correct as to William's correct age and we go with the Census stats, I am more convinced now, having seen your details on William's remarriage and Elizabeth's death, that the William and Elizabeth I had thought were his parents are the most likely ones. In support of this I have info on William's (1814-15/16) siblings which I researched from the Bishops records for Coppenhall.
William and Elizabeth had:-
William 1815
Thomas Aug 3rd 1817
Peter Jan 27th 1820
John April 19th 1822
James April 17th 1825
If it is the same William who then married Margaret as you have indicated then I have identified from the same records
Ann 3rd Aug 1834
Joseph june 1838
These certainly tie in with the Census info you have detailed.
If this is so then I believe I have been able to identify his Grandparents as William Brockley and Mary Bebbington married on 11th May 1771 again in Coppenhall records?
Thank you for your advice and assistance. I'm sure I will be asking for your help again!
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peterbennett
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Hi Ter1
Its no problem, two heads are always better than one.
( Would you want the other post you made on the same subject deleting, just in case someone else starts a search thinking you have had no replies)
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northern_rose
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I'm just starting to research my mother's side of the family who seem to be from Moulton, Over, Cheshire and am amazed how much more info there is available on line than for the area in Lancs that my father's family are from!
My Gran was Mildred DUTTON born May 1910 in Moulton to Albert DUTTON (details of DOB etc unknown as yet) and Emily (nee Clarke) born about 1880 in Moulton.
I know that Albert and Emily moved to Lancs sometime before 1830 when Mildred married my grandfather.
I have managed to trace Emily Clarke's family and have her parents as Herbert and Ellen (nee Bradshaw). I have their census data from 1871 on wards with Emily's siblings.
I would really like to try to go back to earlier census data (1841, 1851 and 1861)
The info I have on Herbert and Ellen is
Herbert born 1839(listed as 1846 on 1901 census) in Kingsley (listed as Norley on 1891 census) so he was obviously not always accurate!
Ellen (nee Bradshaw) born 1852 in Whitegate.
Any help gratefully appreciated!
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peterbennett
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Hi N Rose
I think this is your Herbert and the rest of the Clarkes in 1851 and 1841, I have not found them in 1861 as I think the parents had died or moved on by then and the children were split up, I know not where 
1851 HO107-2164-F805 Kingsley Frodsham Parish Cheshire
William Clarke head 39 ag lab Norley
Mary wife 40 Kingsley
Ann daug 10
Herbert son 6
Mary daug 4
Joseph son 2
1841 HO107-97-10-Page9 Brick lane Kingsley
William Clark 30 ag lab all born in county
Mary 25
Thomas 9
Dennis 6
Elizabeth 5
William 2
Ann 1
There is a marriage indexed for a William Clark and Mary Oultram 19/Jan/1832 at St Lawrence Frodsham.
I will see what can be found on the Bradshaws and post again
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northern_rose
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WOW!
Thank you! You have added another generation to my tree!
Thanks for your help!
Heather
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peterbennett
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Hi N rose
Here are the details I have found for the Bradshaws.
1861 RG9-2605-F69 Beauty Bank Whitegate Over Northwich
Charles Bradshaw head 41 sawyer born Little Budworth
Jane wife 37 Over
Ellen J daug 9
Hannah 5
Margaret 3
Alfred son 1
1851 HO107-2166-F132 Beauty Bank Over
Charles Bradshaw head 33 sawyer Little Budworth
Jane wife 27 Whitegate
Charles son 5
Mary daug 3
Elizabeth 1
1844 Charles Bradshaw married Jane Stretch St Mary Whitegate
1841 HO107-96-02-Page9 Chester Lane Marton Over
Charles Bradshaw 20/25 carpenter born in county
Sorry not able to find Jane Stretch in 1841 but if you ever get her marriage cert let me know their fathers names and I should be able to trace them,the same applies to Albert Dutton .
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northern_rose
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Thanks for the Bradshaws. I have managed to trace the Clarke's from 1861 to 1901 with the info you gave me. They had two more son's - Levi and Reuben - very grand names!
I'll now try and do the same with the Bradshaws.
I have ordered Albert Dutton's marriage cert. which should be here any day. So I may just take you up on your offer to trace him!
Thank you once again.
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Wilson in the Lancaster area Clegg in Todmorden Adamson in Edinburgh Miller in Edinburgh Nunn in Norfolk and Co Durham Smith in Glasgow Haig in Peebles/Edinburgh Also Nelson, Gardener, Garnett, Blair, Coleman, Aaronson and many more as the branches expand! Census info is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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