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Topic: GLASS FAMILY --Urquhart,Logie Wester (Read 2332 times)
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MonicaLesl
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Hi John
Just picking up on Joe's 1861 census entries. If this is your Finlay staying with his brother, then there is a possible christening entry for William, an actual extract from the OPRs on IGI (also one more sister showing):
To parents John GLASS and Katherine GRAY:
1. WILLIAM GLASS Christening: 30 JUN 1793 Urquhart And Logie Wester, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
2. ISOBEL GLASS Christening: 19 JUN 1796 Urquhart And Logie Wester, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
A possible marriage for this couple on IGI:
JOHN GLASS Marriages: Spouse: KATHRINE GRAY
Marriage: 24 FEB 1780 Urquhart And Logie Wester, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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These are all the death entries coming up for Gl*s in R & C on SP. Looks like they are probably all brother and sisters, given the Gray for their mother's maiden name:
1. 1863 GLASS ANN GRAY/ MCKENZIE age 80 @ KNOCKBAIN/ROSS AND CROMARTY FROS Ref: 073/00 0036
2. 1862 GLASS CATHERINE GRAY/MCGREGOR age 75 @ URQUHART AND LOGIE WESTER /ROSS AND CROMARTY GROS Ref: 084/00 0053
3. 1883 GLASS ISABELLA age 87 @ ROSSKEEN/ROSS AND CROMARTY GROS Ref: 081/00 0051
4. 1859 GLASS MARGARET GRAY age 70 @ URQUHART AND LOGIE WESTER /ROSS AND CROMARTY GROS Ref: 084/00 0036
5. 1876 GLASS WILLIAM age 82 @ URQUHART AND LOGIE WESTER/ROSS AND CROMARTY GROS Ref: 084/00 0022
No sign of Finlay though 
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Confirmation of births/christenings from the OPRs on SP for some of the above death entries including one for Ann and the IGI entries for William and Isobel:
1 07/01/1781 GLASS ANNE JOHN GLASS/CHERINE GRAY URQUHART AND LOGIE WESTE 084/00 0001
2 30/06/1793 GLASS WILLIAM JOHN GLASS/KATHARINE GRAY URQUHART AND LOGIE WESTE 084/00 0001
3 19/06/1796 GLASS ISOBEL JOHN GLASS/KATHRINE GRAY URQUHART AND LOGIE WESTE 084/00 0001
Be aware that there is another couple called John Glass and Margaret Gray who were also having children same time and place. The death entry for a Margaret in the post above, no.4, may relate to this entry on SP:
27/03/1789 GLASS MARGARET JOHN GLASS/MARGARET GRAY URQUHART AND LOGIE WESTE 084/00 0001
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Hi John
Just a couple of points. The death entry for an Ann. Have you viewed the entry:
1863 GLASS ANN GRAY/ MCKENZIE age 80 @ KNOCKBAIN/ROSS AND CROMARTY FROS Ref: 073/00 0036
This shows mother's maiden name as Gray. Unless this entry has been mistranscribed, Ann was either a Glass who married a McKenzie (or the other way round) whose mother's maiden name was Gray........so, if correct she could be the missing sister to your Finlay.
The original image for Finlay at his brother William's in 1861 would show whether he was a widower.
Similarly, the entry for an Isobel:
1883 GLASS ISABELLA age 87 @ ROSSKEEN/ROSS AND CROMARTY GROS Ref: 081/00 0051
It would appear from index that she was single as no other surname shows. It also doesn't show mother's name which is a pity (a fairly recent introduction by SP, not sure how far along this indexing has got). Just double checking that you are aware that Isobel and Isabella are all variants and easily interchangeable. So, she may be your missing Isobel.
.......as for Finlay, I cannot begin to think how he has been indexed. I've searched with minimum letters for him, F* *SS, and still nothing
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Hi John
Had another go trying to find Finlay and he's still hiding 
In respect of Margaret, I think she is certainly, from the censuses and DC verification, a sister to your Finlay. Why her mother has been indexed as Margaret Gray, I have no idea other than probably you would have to see an original extract from the OPR to see whether there has not been an error. She is living with William in 1841:
Margret Glass 45, b. R & C
William Glass 45, agri. lab., b. R & C
Elizabeth Gilanders 12, b. R & C
Address: Upper Kinkell, Urquhart, R & C
As you say, she is still with William in 1851 at Kinkell before dying in 1859:
Margaret Glass 61, sister
William Glass 56, head, tanner of 8 acres
Janet McLennan 14
After this William went to live with (or they came to him) Finlay and Ann in Kinkell, where they show together in 1861.
From the info you posted, Ann Gray/McKenzie's DC, and confirmation that she was a widow by 1886, I tried to find her in 1881 and no joy. I have (after battling with the wildcards) found Ann, by now a widow, and brother in law William living together in 1871.......under surname GLAP ( - or scream!).
So, all I can say now is that Finlay died between 1861 and 1871.
I'm not sure how much you have on the other lines. I'll post separately for clarity.
Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Now on to sister Ann, with her death entry: 1863 GLASS ANN GRAY/ MCKENZIE age 80 @ KNOCKBAIN/ROSS AND CROMARTY FROS Ref: 073/00 0036
She is indeed another sister to Finlay. Her marriage on IGI I would think:
ANN GLASS Marriages: Spouse: DONALD MCKENZIE
Marriage: 15 MAR 1805 Urquhart And Logie Wester, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
And some of her children, actual extracts from the OPRs:
1. DOND. MACKENZIE Christening: 27 JAN 1818 Knockbain, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
2. ANNE MAC KENZIE Christening: 23 MAY 1815 Knockbain, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
3. MARGT. MACKENZIE Christening: 17 JUL 1823 Knockbain, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
4. ISOBEL MACKENZIE Christening: 22 OCT 1807 Urquhart And Logie Wester, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
5. JOHN MACKENZIE Birth: 09 NOV 1809/ Christening: 10 NOV 1809 Killearnan, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
6. KENNETH MACKENZIE Birth: 27 JUL 1812/ Christening: 28 JUL 1812 Killearnan, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
And her entry on the 1851 Census:
Ann Glass 65, crofter, head, b. Ferintosh, Urquhart
Catherine McKenzie 28, daugh
Donald McKenzie 30, son
An Mitchell 3
Address: Muckerinch, Knockbain
She is living alone there in 1861, age 73, a pauper.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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And lastly Catherine. Catherine as you know married a Donald McGregor. Children showing to them on IGI, a mix of submitted entries and actual extracts from the OPRs:
1. CHARLES MC GREGOR Birth: 27 MAY 1826/ Christening: 06 JUN 1826 Urquhart And Logie Wester, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
2. DONALD MACGREGOR Christening: 21 AUG 1816 Urquhart And Logie Wester, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
3. KENNETH MC GREGOR Christening: 02 DEC 1822 Urquhart And Logie Wester, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
4. WILLIAM MC GREGOR Christening: 19 JAN 1814 Urquhart And Logie Wester, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
5. ALEXANDER MC GREGOR Christening: 17 MAY 1819 Urquhart And Logie Wester, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
Catherine's 1861 Census entry, a widow by now probably, prior to her death in 1862:
Charles McGregor 30, head, agri. lab.
Alexr McGregor 40, brother, shoemaker
Catherine McGregor 72, mother
Betsy Dingwall 15, servant
Address: Newton, Urquhart
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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The final sister Isobel that is showing on the birth OPRs, I can find no trace of. She may have died pre 1851 Census (easier to search for ages and places of birth). I can't easily see any marriages that may connect to her either.
Finlay remains the puzzle, taking us back to your first post He seems to be the only one of the family who ventured out of R & C. I can see his marriage in 1810 in Barony, Glasgow and son Malcolm born a couple of years later. Then his marriage in 1842 to Ann Gray also in Glasgow. I can't see him in Glasgow in 1841 Census, but wondered whether he was already living with Ann Gray by this point which would make sense of this entry in 1841:
Ann Glass 35, b. Scotland
Finlay Glass 5, ship's carpenter (?) b. Scotland
James Glass 20, ship's carpenter b. Scotland
Address: Finiston Horroch St, Barony, Glasgow.
Having exhausted the wildcard searches for his death in R & C, I had a thought re poor relief records for wife Ann. I have no idea whether she was a registered pauper, receiving funds. If so, I wonder what, if any, poor relief application records there may be for her for that period in Urquhart?
Gadget here on RootsChat has a wealth of knowledge on R & C, I'll ask her to see if she can provide any pointers
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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(No birth for a Catherine to Ann,only a Margaret)Ann Mitchell is the result of a birth with parents Catherine McKenzie and Peter Mitchel