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WHETHAM family
« on: Tuesday 20 December 05 05:53 GMT (UK) »

Investigating anything on the WHETHAM family of London.  Charles Whetham married Sophia Maria Langley at St Olave, Southwark in 1836.

I'm primarily after any information about the family of his son, Frederic(k) George Whetham, b. 19 September 1845 in 38 Gracechurch Street, London, England, and died Bef. 1937 in London, England?.  Frederic  was a journalist (mainly sports) and travelled to New Zealand where he married Annie Elizabeth Carr.  They had four boys

Ernest Arthur Whetham b. 1881 Dunedin, and died 1882, Dunedin

Charles Harold Whetham b. 13 October 1883, Dunedin, New Zealand.
m. Kate Cassidy , 1910
Two sons that I know of
Eric C. (Charles?) Whetham b. 1913
John F. (Frederick?) Whetham b. 1915

Leonard Carr Whetham, b. 1888, Dunedin, New Zealand; d. 7 October 1916, Somme, France
m. ROSE PHILLIPS 7 August 1915, St Mary's Church, High Road, East Finchley, London, England
Residence: 1915, 119 Whidborne Buildings, Kings Cross, London, England
Not sure if they had any children?

Frederick Langley Whetham, b. 1892, London, England; d. 10 March 1915, Pas de Calais, France

I think the family returned to England around 1889.  Any suggestions of places to look next would be gratefully appreciated - particularly any help in locating Charles' children.

Many thanks
Fiona
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Re: WHETHAM family
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 20 December 05 06:16 GMT (UK) »

1901 census
Frederic G Whetham 55 journalist
Ann 40 born I think Ireland
Charles H son 14 Publishers assist born NZ
Leonard C 13 born NZ
Frederic 9 born St Pancras London
Living 67 Roseberry Square Holborn Londo Roll Eyes
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Re: WHETHAM family
« Reply #2 on: Monday 02 January 06 11:16 GMT (UK) »

Thank you so much for this - it does give me more information about the family back in England, including the son Charles' occupation Smiley It looks like he was following his father's occupation.

Any suggestions as to how to where to look for any information on Charles' sons, Eric and John?

Cheers

Fiona
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Re: WHETHAM family
« Reply #3 on: Monday 02 January 06 12:08 GMT (UK) »

As they were born after 1901 census it's a little tricky you could try and search for their marriage on
https://www.familyrelatives.org/treequest/jsp/customer/index.jsp
you could post a message on the right county where you think they may have been living for someone to find them on the electoral role calculate their age over eighteen and try everyone is so helpful on this site I will put my thinking cap on! and you could try http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
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Re: WHETHAM family
« Reply #4 on: Monday 02 January 06 12:24 GMT (UK) »

I have found Charles and Sophia on 1851/ 1861 census would you like details?
Have found birth for Charles 1812 Street Somerset England marries Sophia Mary Langley 1836 Truro Cornwall if you look it up here http://www.familysearch.org/ it actually gives the address of the person that submitted the details and it looks like there could be more information on CD-ROM Roll Eyes
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Re: WHETHAM family
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 04 January 06 03:55 GMT (UK) »

William

Thank you - I would love the 1851/1861 details as I don't have them as yet. 

Unfortunately I'm a little dubious about  the FamilySearch information, as all other records show Charles' birth place as Bridport, Dorset ... not Somerset.

Charles was Lord Mayor of London in the mid 1800s and an Alderman for some time - and all the biographical info about his public life also gives his birthplace as Dorset ...  Undecided

Thanks you once again for all your help ... I am filling in holes like mad here  Smiley

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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 04 January 06 19:14 GMT (UK) »

1851
Charles Whetham 38 sailcloth merchant born Bridgport Dorset
Sophia M wife 38 born Surrey Southwark
Sophia M daughter 13 born Surrey Southwark
Charles L son 12           "       "
Alice 10 born City of London
William L 9 born City of London
Emily M  10 months born City of London
George Denziloe  nephew 17 Grocer and Spiret Merchant born Bridgport Dorset
Caroline Boswell  servant 44  born Somerset
Hannah Clarke servant 42 born Devon
Elizabeth Costella servant    15 born Hertfordshire
All living 38 Gracechurch St St Benet Gracechurch Middlesex England
Source HO107/1531
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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 04 January 06 19:35 GMT (UK) »

1861
Charles Whetham 48 merchant
Sohia M 48
Sophia M 23
Alice 20
William J 19 Clerk can't read rest
Frederick G 15
Emily M 10
Arthur 9
Edith 4
Emma Gifford servant 27
Julia Hinson servany 33
Emma Miller servant 17
All living 52 Gordon Square St Pancras Middlesex
source RG9/103 folio 55
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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 05 January 06 12:32 GMT (UK) »

William

Thank you (again Smiley!  This earlier info confirms a lot of information.

Fiona
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Re: WHETHAM family
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 11 February 07 17:37 GMT (UK) »

Hi Fiona
My name is Trevor Marlow. I am sitting here with my mother, Connie (b. 1916) (Constance Edith Marlow nee Whetham). She tells us that her father, Arthur Bevis Whetham (b. 1888) was the son of Arthur Whetham and grandson of Sir Charles Whetham (Lord Mayor). I have been to the Mansion House in London and seen the silver cup presented by Sir Charles. Mum has original menus from the Mansion House banquets and other memorabilia.
She has got a family tree but not here with us at the moment. I will get a copy tonight.
Mum and her sister Joan were the only offspring of Arthur (who was also an only child) and thus the Whetham name, on this branch of the family, finished. Mum is certain that Sir Charles was originally from Bridport.
We have got pictures of Sir Charles and Lady Whetham in their full regalia, and mum has also got pictures of her father and possibly also her grandfather if you would like to see them.
Kind regards
Trevor

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« Reply #10 on: Monday 12 February 07 08:58 GMT (UK) »

Trevor,
Fantastic to hear from you with your information about the Whetham family.  The only information I have about your g-grandfather Arthur is that he was born around 1851 (based on his age at the 1881 census). He was the 10th child (and youngest son) of the 11 children I have found so far for Charles and Sophia.  Charles was born in Bridport, where his father Stephen ran a company manufacturing rope and sail cloth.  I have a copy of Stephen's will somewhere if you would like a copy. 

My connection with the family is through my g-g-aunt Annie Carr. Annie arrived in New Zealand with her family from Ireland around 1874. She married Frederic Whetham in 1880, they had three boys in NZ (one who died young) and then returned to England c.1890 where another son was born.  Unfortunately two of the boys were killed in WW1 so I am not sure (but ever hopeful!) that there are any surviving relatives of this branch of the family. I have no idea what brought Frederic to New Zealand - he did publish a book on horse racing while he was here and seemed to be employed as a journalist in England ... but nothing else is known.  I've got quite a large tree on the Whetham family (a lot of information kindly offered by a Whetham researcher in the US) which I can send over if you would like it.

One interesting family story I have found is the strange death of Arthur and Frederic's brother, Charles Langley Whetham who was killed by a train in a tunnel near the Swiss Cottage station on Christmas Eve in 1890 - verdict given was accidental death although no reason could be found for him being in the tunnel.

Cheers
Fiona
(and congratulations to the England team for the cricket!)
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Re: WHETHAM family
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 26 June 07 21:59 BST (UK) »

I have attached a section of a large Stephens tree that includes Sir Charles Whetham that might be of interest.  His son, William Townley Whetham (b1842), married Mary Stephens and produced a large collection of children, etc.  The line not shown was Gertrude to Francis Ashby Wallis.  I would be grateful for any information on future generations.  I also would be pleased to receive any snippets on Sir Charles himself.


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