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Topic: Mutch/Riddell/Hay Families in marnoch area (Read 3628 times)
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Ticker
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Hi Fluffnco
Sorry we haven't been able to help you so far on this one.
Have you made any progress, or do you have any further details that could help someone to find what you are looking for?
Look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes
Ticker
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fluffnco
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Hi Ticker,
I've managed to get jeanie Hay Mutch's death certificate details via scotsorigins. She married in Dingwall on 21st March 1950 to a David Stirling.
her death cert details were as follows
Parish - District: Inverness
Ref: 098/A Entry 413
name: Jeanie Hay Stirling, Married to David Stirling, General labourer
Date and Place: 8th June 1962, 6pm, Raigmore Hospital, Inverness, usual residence 6 Meiklefield Road, Dingwall
Sex and Age: Female, 42
fathers name: (Blank)
Mothers name: Christina Mutch, Deceased
Cause of Death: Lympho-Sarcoma of Small Bowel, Unknown years
Informant: W J (unclear Initials)Stirling, Brother-in-Law, 12 Cluny (unclear) Road, Dingwall
This means she was definitely born in late 1919 or 1920. I don't have her birth certificate as I have been researching another line of my tree.
I've paid and searched the scotlandspeople site in the 1881/91 census and statutory register for births of Christina Mutch.
MY mother believes Christina may have have came from the Ellon district and she seems to think that she was told by my fathers 'foster' mum that Jeanie Hay Mutch was orphaned when young although she really isn't too sure on this. My dad was never officially adopted. His mum left him and his brother who died age 16 in the care of my 'granny chris' and left the village. She never returned for them. My mum has a suspicion that Granny chris may possibly have been Jeanie's sister but with a different father although this hasn't been proven as fact.
In my 1881 census search I found a Christian Mutch age 31 living at Ellon Station, Ellon, Aberdeen
and also
Christina Mutch age 24 living at Ardlin, Ellon Aberdeen
I performed a search of both the 1891 and 1901 census for Christina Mutch's and Christina Mutch age 41 in Ellon showed up but no christina aged 34 in Ellon although there was one in Savoch age 33. However for these two ladies to have been the mother of my Jeanie Mutch she would have had to be a menopause baby I would think. I'm erring towards the thinking line that these are not my Christina.
I looked for births around the 1901 area thinking that maybe Christina had Jeanie young and abandoned her or died after giving birth to her. I found a Christina Mutch born in the Cruden area on dec 26th in Hatton village Cruden to a James Mutch and a Christina Mutch (maiden name Annand??) who were married on 28th June 1895 in Cruden.
I have no idea of knowing if the Cruden area is any where near the Ellon area and to be honest I have become a little disheartened. Having no concrete details to go on is making this very hard.
Because my father was abandoned he has real issues with even talking about it and so getting even snippets of information has not been an option.
I feel like I'm looking for a needle in a haystack LOL
The Jeanie Mutch birth certificate I sent off for was the wrong person and far too old for my Jeanie Hay Mutch so I've not really got any further in this line of inquiry at all. At least having a concrete age for her death gives me something further to work on.
If finances allow me too I may travel upto Edinburgh later in the year and have a hunt personally for information on this family line 
I just wish the scottish BDM's were set up similar to the GRO's as I find it easier to hunt for people on the GRO system
so that's as far as I have got.
thanks for enquiring Ticker
kind regards
Del
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Thomson/Davies/Johnson - (St Pancras/Shoreditch Area London and Monmouthsire),
Cross - (Burradon/Gateshead/Tynemouth areas of Newcastle on Tyne)
Anderson - ( Gateshead/Wallsend/ Byker/Tynemouth areas of Newcastle on Tyne)
Mutch - (Marnoch/Aberchirder/Ellon/Inverkeithny/Fyvie/Turriff areas of Banffshire Scotland)
Riddell - (Marnoch/Aberchirder areas of Banffshire Scotland)
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Forfarian
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If your Jeanie Hay Mutch was born in 1919/20, she would indeed have been a miracle if her mother was already 24 (never mind older still ) in 1881  Your Christina may not even have been born by the 1901 census! (Actually I would not be surprised if the one you found in 1901 is the right one).
If I were you I would have another look for Jeanie's birth certificate, but extend a couple of years either side of 1919/20 just in case. Also remember that she may have been registered as Jane, Jean or Janet (or something more obscure) and without the middle name.
Cruden is close to Ellon; If you go to www.streetmap.co.uk and search for Cruden Bay and Ellon you will see that they are only a few miles apart. In fact the two parishes come within less than a mile of one another.
Is it possible that "Granny Chris" could actually be his grandmother rather than an aunt?
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes; LESLIE, Mortlach; MENDUM, England; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOREY, New Monkland; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Lethnot and Navar; YOUNG, Keith
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kenjo
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Hi,
This is a bit confusing, you poor thing..
In what I have seen, of Illegitemate children,
if the mum is a child herself, someone else will bring the baby up.
on Jeanie's marriage cert, it may say who brought her up, it will say who her mum is and may say who was acting as mum.
But anyway, I am thinking that in 1919-1920, Christina was a teenager, and has had Jeanie, and someone has raised her, so Christina can go on with working.
Now all this is of course, only a possibility.
I looked for a death of a Chr* Mutch first.
Going from 1918 through to 1950. all of Scotland.
[You have probably done this yourself]
There were 3 possibles.
14 1937 MUTCH CHRISTINA F 65 FRASERBURGH ABERDEEN 196/00 0102
16 1942 MUTCH CHRISTINA F 55 FRASERBURGH ABERDEEN 196/00 0015
17 1946 MUTCH CHRISTINA F 42 ABERDEEN NORTHERN DISTRICT ABERDEEN 168/01 0478
I decided to go with no 17.
It says
Christina Adam , married to William Adam.
died 5th April 1946 aged 42yrs. she died at the Maternity Hospital, aberdeen. her usual residence, was
[GET THIS]
North Tollo? Fortrie Inverkeithny.
[which is 2.6miles from Marnoch]
her father was William Mutch farm servant, deceased.
her mother was Mary Barron Mutch, maid surname Grant.
Christina died of Eclampsia, and cardiac failure.
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on the same cert.
her son died the next day. called James Adam.
ALL SO TRAGIC. I'm sorry.
now if this is your Christina, then she would have been 16yrs, old when she gave birth, to Jeanie. and she would have had to give her child to someone to look after.
She Married William Adam 14th Feb 1925 at 54 Castle street, Aberdeen, in the presence of William Raeburn and Mary Barron Grant or Mutch..both residing at Kirktown Inverkeithny by Turriff.
William was 22yrs and usual residence was Aucharnie, Forgue. his parents were Alexander Adam and Annie Adam MSurname, Chalmers.
Christina Mutch 21yrs, living at Kirktown Inverkeithny by Turriff parents William Mutch and Mary Barron Mutch [MS] Grant.
I found the index of birth for Christina Mutch 1904 Auchterless.
Now this isn't Ellon but it is on the way there.
There is one other suitable, to do with Fraserburgh. and she would be considerably older. born 1888.
So who raised Jeanie, I wonder.
I wonder if, her mum got her back, after she married.
and told Jeanie that she was a relative and [not addmitted to being her mother]. And if Jeanie gave her 2 children to later to Christina, until Christina died, and that is why your father and his brother , were sent to a foster mum. Does 1946 sound likely, for them to go into fostercare?
Love to hear your view.
Kenjo
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Ticker
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Hi Del
Didn't you do well! 
Thanks for the update.
Best wishes
Ticker
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Ticker
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Hi Del
Its stories like yours that make it all worth while. I'm really pleased for you.
I agree with you that kenjo is a star.
Keep us informed of developments.
Best wishes
Ticker
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ellenavon
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Del
I am delighted for you.
Have just reread through the thread and am more convinced than ever that there must be a connection somewhere.
I am off on hols tomorrow however, for 10 days, so will not be able to give it much perusal till after then.
Also - a thought. I have found that with my illegitimate ones, that a middle name that looks like a surname usually is - that of the father!
eg; My John Angus Mutch, illegitimate son of Catherine Mutch, turned out,after a lot of searching, head scratching and swearing I might add, to be the son of Peter Angus. I have quite a few other examples of this.
So Hay could very well be Jeannie's dad's surname.
Good Luck. I'll be back on after my hols.
Cheers
Ellen.
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Grant, Wright, Packman, Parley
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kenjo
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Hi Adele, fluffnco
Just an update.
I have only a few minutes on the Library PC.
Births
of what might be, but I presume, most likely, your William Adam and Christina Mutch. Your Dad's half Uncles and Aunts.
Note---- the births to 1930 have no mothers maiden name entered. so i am guessing that these are yours.
After that all the children are entered with Mutch as the mothers Maiden Name. anyway some of these may still be alive.
1925 Alexander Adam Inverkeithny index no 6
1927 Annie Webster Chalmers Adam Insch 16
1928 George Adam Inverkeithny 26
1929 William Adam Inverkeithny 6
1931 George John Adam Auchterless 30
1933 Mary Jane Adam Inverkeithny 13
1934 William Adams North Aberdeen 101
1935 James Adam Inverkeithny 7
1936 Annie Chalmers Adam Inverkeithny 12
1938 Alexander Adams North Aberdeen 1207
1943 Samuel Mutch Adam Turriff 132
1946 James Adam North Aberdeen. already have
In the MI
for Inverkeithny
Christina Mutch, 1946
William Adam 1978 [probably Christinas husband]
James Adam [presuming baby boy that died next day from mum 1946]
MI for Drumblade
John Michie Adam 8/6/1931
Alexander Adam 16/8/1937
[sandy]
Annie Chalmers 1/6/1946
Alexander Adam 25/5/1956.
I have children being born surname Adam and Mothers Surname Chalmers.
I haven't looked into it yet. but it will probably be ANNIE CHALMERS
AND ALEXANDER ADAM .
WILLIAM ADAM'S PARENTS.
I think there may be another family as wellwith these surnames together because they are having children right throughto 1939 and could go further.
, Anyway.
maybe you should post a fresh notice on these children of Christina Mutch and William Adam, to see if anyone knows them. I think I read you had deaths for christinas children, that might sort out why there are doubles.
bye for now.
kenjo
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got to be a link some where in amongst all these Mutch folk I have in my tree now