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GalaxyJane
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Hi everyone,
Has anybody access to information on the cotton mills along the River Leen, in the late eighteenth, early nineteenth centuries?
These were the Papplewick mills, owned by the Robinson family.
I have found a brief history on line at http://www.papplewick.org/local/millinfo.htm
I would love to have more details on as many aspects as possible but am particularly interested in whether there are any records of employees, recruitment etc.
I have an ancestor who lived in the Bulwell area, circa 1787-1801, who must have worked in the mills, but I have been unable to find his POB –he was clearly not local as he is the only one of his surname, Angus, in the area. Any ideas on how I might discover his origins? There was mention on the above web site of apprentices from London,…Maybe he could have been one of these. How would he have found out that work was available in the area?
He was born in about 1760, according to his age on his death certificate, married at Bulwell in 1875, had several children, then moved to Cumberland in the first years of the 19th century, to work in the calico printing works at Woodbank near Carlisle –again, I am intrigued in how he found out about a factory so far away – maybe there were advertisements in the Nottingham press?
I would love to be able to look into this locally in person, but unfortunately I live abroad and will not be able to get home till July at the earliest
I would be most grateful for any suggestions or scraps of information
Regards and New Year wishes to all on the Nottinghamshire boards
Jane
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Jane Swan
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Hi Jane
You have an interesting reference already. I presume you have checked the historical directories site:
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/
I remember I checked the NFHS CDs for Angus and Oldham previously. I have just checked in the 2 main text books for lace, Felkin and Mason, and there is no reference to these mills.
I have printed off your query and will have a look in the archives next time I go.
Jane
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Notts: Burrows, Comery, Foster, Beeson, Haynes, Swan. Derbys: Burrows, Comery, Smith Lincs: King. Warks & Salop: Swan, Duffy. Dublin: Duffy, Geraghty, Burgess. Monmouth: Lewis Information contained within Census Lookups is Crown Copyright: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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GalaxyJane
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Hi Jane,
Many thanks for your interest. And many thanks for your initial work on my Angus family. I finally decided against the framework knitting theory as Henry was a calico printer on his death cert --seemed likely he would have been one earlier, back in Nottinghamshire. I loved the story about William, the wicked Lord Byron...
I did check historicaldirectories, but couldn't find anything early enough, worse luck.
Thank you in advance for trying to find out more for me. If you are snowed under, literally or figuratively  just a few possible sources of reference will do., and I will be patient till I can get at them myself.
I do try to get to Nottingham when I am in the UK
Regards and best wishes
Jane
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Jane Swan
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Hi Jane
I've just found this about the mills and the Robinsons: 'Old Nottingham Suburbs' R. Mellors City of Nottm Leisure and community Services 1998. First printed 1912.
George Robinson was a cotton spinner, he and his brother having the Nether, or Forest Mill. It appears that when George Robertson came from Kincardineshire, in Scotland, and settled in Bulwell in 1737, a strong predjudice then prevailing against the people of Scotland, he adopted the English name of Robinson. The Papplewick Mills were built in 1777, and the Forge Mill in 1787. He died in 1798, aged 86, having left £50, the proceeds of which he directed should be distributed to the poor widows at Christmas. His tomb is in the churchyard. "He lived a bright example of industry, and every Christian virtue." John Robinson, son of the above, about 1805, formulated a plan by which employees were to share the profits, but owing to legal difficulties, it was not carried out. He, forty-two years after his fathers death, imitated his fathers example, and left £50 for the benefit of the poor, the proceeds being distributed at Christmas.
Jane
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Notts: Burrows, Comery, Foster, Beeson, Haynes, Swan. Derbys: Burrows, Comery, Smith Lincs: King. Warks & Salop: Swan, Duffy. Dublin: Duffy, Geraghty, Burgess. Monmouth: Lewis Information contained within Census Lookups is Crown Copyright: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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GalaxyJane
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Hi again, Jane,
This is brilliant! Such fascinating social history, and so very intriguing with the Scottish connection. I must check out Amazon and the used books websites, see if I can get hold of this book or anything similar.
I have been reading your other threads with interest, and they are all a joy, even though I have no connection with the people involved.
I am really grateful for your kindness in helping me out personally. Thanks to your initial work on my Anguses, confirming the IGI records on your lhs CD's I was able to link up with the trail that led to Carlisle and my GG grandfather, whom I can 99% confirm as a son of Henry and Elizabeth Oldham, though I haven't been able to find his birth records in Cumberland yet!
Thanks to your deep knowledge of the subject, I am beginning to appreciate that the best part of family history is the telling of the story, as opposed to mere name-bagging
Regards and thanks
Jane
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robbienudd
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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hello there
if you go to this website there are extracts from robert mellors book as well as other interesting articles from other authors.
www.nottshistory.org.uk
regards
rob
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Jane Swan
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Hi Robbie
Welcome to Rootschat. You are right Notts history is a good site.
Jane
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Notts: Burrows, Comery, Foster, Beeson, Haynes, Swan. Derbys: Burrows, Comery, Smith Lincs: King. Warks & Salop: Swan, Duffy. Dublin: Duffy, Geraghty, Burgess. Monmouth: Lewis Information contained within Census Lookups is Crown Copyright: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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GalaxyJane
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Many thanks, Jane and Robbie for this new titbit. what a lovely surprise, just goes to show that Rootschat is the site that goes on giving.
Robbie, welcome from me too, and enjoy!
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GalaxyJane
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Many thanks for the information, Julie. Might be worth a trip out that way one of these years then with my trusty digital camera..Now if only walls could speak, I might find out where my 3xG grandfather came from
all the best
Jane
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Darksecretz
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Hi
I take it your not local then? (to Papplewick) I might have some photos somewhere lurkin about, I know that in the 1970's Children from the school(I used to got to) went to the mill, to do restoration work on the waterwheel, My sister was one of em..lol (Iwas a bit young) about 4 lol.
I'll have a hunt around
if i can find any pix, i'll post em on here, if thats ok?
Julie
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GalaxyJane
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That would be fabulous, Julie, when you have a moment that is! Don't want to take you away from your own research.
No I am not quite local, being a ways south east of Notts, you have to go on, till you get to the channel, go on across Europe till you get to the Bosphorus, go across the bridge and you are more or less there... 
I do get to the UK once a year or so, and I have friends in Nottingham, so I have been to the Archives there once... Great folk
Love to Robin Hood
Jane
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Darksecretz
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OOOOOOO LOL,
you tend to forget theres a big wide world out there...... lol, well, I live about 5mins from there (by car) If I cant find any photos i'll go and ask if i can take some 
The Dam has been filled in now, has been since the 1960's i think, there was a book, dont know if you can still get it, but i know the library has a copy, (as we have had it out on loan) gimme min and i'll see if i can find the title.....
here we are I think this is the one.. 'leen valley at work' By Martin Weiss
you might also like to try this site, it is the local paper 'dispatch' you might be able to post a request in it???
http://www.hucknalltoday.co.uk/
hope this helps
Julie
ps... have a look here look at the photos on the left............
http://www.knittingtogether.org.uk/doc.asp?doc=7356&cat=738
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GalaxyJane
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Wow! So there they are! You know I have been on that web-site yet I never came across those photo's. Thanks so much for pointing them out, and thanks for the book title, also the newspaper link.
You know I am not 100% sure my rellies (who were naturally, beamed down by aliens) worked there but it seems very likely, either they were that or framework knitters.. I just went hopefully with the mills, thinking it would be easier to get a lead, records or something, from a big concern. Plus as they went walkabout (beamed back up for readjustment??) between 1789 and 1801, they may have set off on one of the factory wagons heading for Lancashire, though of course they left no traces before they materialise for good in Carlisle....
Whatever the case, it's all interesting
thank you again
Jane
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Darksecretz
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Jane
Not a problem really... it all helps in tracking them down, (eventually) know the feeling about the aliens though lol.... been there, still there lol.. hence my lack of enthusiasum(sp) with MY lot...lolololol
IF he did work at the mill perhaps he was living locally? linby perhaps? might be worthwhile having look at the p/rs if any children born there, am not 100% on pre registration stuff, as i'm only just delving into that sorta stuff, but perhaps if there were any wills left that might help???
I know some of My rellies came from Papplewick (Samuel Shelton and married a Elizabeth MOORE) but they got married in 1813 @ Papplewick, thats all i know (this is one of my direct lines) so would be nice to get somewhere with it.. but thats another story
Good luck
Julie
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