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Topic: Sharing Useful Tips: GERMANY and E. Europe (Read 14791 times)
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D ap D
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Stuck with John Jones in Wales? Join the club!
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Stupid question, probably, however:
Can German surnames be regionalised, like, are certain surnmes common to a particular area of Germany. I'm looking for Fidell Beurle (anglicised to Bailey on the 1861 census) but the census only gives birthplace as Germany, approximately 1811.
Not stupid at all.
Some surnames do occur more frequently in certain areas. Where I live, in the south west, there is a VERY high frequency of surnames ending in -le. This comes from the local dialect.
If you come across a name ending in -mayr, you can bet its either Austrian or Bavarian. -ski is from the former German states of Silesia, pommern and east Prussia, but also to be found around the coal mining cities in the Ruhr area. (Silesia was an enormous coal mining area, so I assume there was migration of labour).
However, since the 1870s and in particular since WW2, the state boundaries have been fiddled with. In the south west, what was 3 kingdoms, several principalities and a load of free imperial cities became 3 states after WW2 and then in 1852 Baden-Württemberg. Each area within the state having its local "colour". What makes things worse is that the inhabitants are referred to as Swabians, but half of swabia is actually in Bavaria...
So to answer your question, yes to a certain extent, they can.
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Stuck with: William Williams of Llanllyfni John Jones in Llanelli Evan Evans in Caio David Davies of Llansanffraid Evans: Caio/Carms Jones: CDG, DEN Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk"Nor do I think that any other nation than this of Wales, or any other tongue, whatever may hereafter come to pass, shall on the day of the great reckoning before the Most High Judge, answer for this corner of the earth": The Old Man of Pencader to Henry II |
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D ap D
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I am looking (with not much success) for the name ASSERT. I have just seen the double s written as a letter like a B. Sorry don't know the correct name. So I was wondering just what it might have been changed to.
you mean the "ß"? its called "eszet", (literally "s, z") because that is how it is sometimes written. Also known as "scharfes S" - sharp S, for some reason.
As for the name Asset, I would have thought it easy enough to pronounce as it is, whithout it having to be anglicized. Where about did they originate?
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Stuck with: William Williams of Llanllyfni John Jones in Llanelli Evan Evans in Caio David Davies of Llansanffraid Evans: Caio/Carms Jones: CDG, DEN Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk"Nor do I think that any other nation than this of Wales, or any other tongue, whatever may hereafter come to pass, shall on the day of the great reckoning before the Most High Judge, answer for this corner of the earth": The Old Man of Pencader to Henry II |
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Raphael
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Posts: 80
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hello Bob and All.
I have been looking through the posts re tips. and found many interesting ones. Re: Umlauts, as I use umlauts quite often , I have now memorized the Ascci codes using the numeric pad with numlock on. it is very quick with practice.
Hold Alt and type the code ie ß = alt+225. ü = alt129. ö =148, Ö =153, Ü =ALT+154. Ä= ALT =142 Ä
I also have another computer dedicated to German with the umlaut keyboard which is easier when you get to know the various combination of the keys.
Re family History. I was fortunate to be married to a German Lady for many years and living there in Düsseldorf NRWF "Nord Rhein Westfalen", and when we married she showed me the "Deutsches Einheits Familien-Stammbuch" (Family Register) that went back to her family in 1929, and the last two pages has Our marriage certificate and later her death Certificate . Her Father and Mother's record shows Lyck in East Prussia, and Alsass Lorrain on the Franco German border (now Alsass Löthringen.) All the family children's records are in it from Derendorf and Düsseldorf.
I am delighted to see that there are many who are interested in German Genealogy. I am however at the moment fully occupied with my mothers side Delaunay, from 1697 to present date. I shall later research as far as possible my German Wifes relatives, with the help of some of her descendent's. I thank Berlin Bob for his excellent first hand contributions.
Best Wishes to All
Mit freudlichen Grüßen
Raphael UK & D.
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Delaunay, Hackney,McIntosh, Culloden, Manchester -Lancashire, Salford, Blackley, Crumpsall, Cheetham Hill M/cr. Grappenhall-Warrington. Düsseldorf & Derendorf , NRWF Germany.
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sparrett
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If any researchers have German ancestors who may have emigrated to Aust [as a very great number did, especially to the southern districts.] here is a fast-growing website I found yesterday which strives to list German burial headstones from the South Westrn region of Vic.
http://www.familienarchiv-papsdorf.de/OZcemeteries.htm
It is texted in both German and English.
Sue
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Parrett:Woolwich,Newington,Bermondsey,Plumstead,Middlesex, West Ham. Evans: Bermondsey. Mason: Stepney, Sydney {Aust} Disney:West Ham. Cornish: Hull {UK} to Tasmania {Aust.} to Victoria {Aust} Catchpole: Sweeting: Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MarthaJane
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I'm sorry if this question has been asked (and possibly answered) elsewhere, but are there any records available of immigrants from Germany and Russia to UK in the mid 1800s?
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Nicholls, Devon and Glamorgan Heath, Wiltshire and Glamorgan Messam, Wiltshire and Glamorgan Clapham, Bender, Middlesex Cook, Hampshire, London Edbrook, Devon and London Gibson, London Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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loo
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Not much, I don't think, but I only know Germany, and not very much of it.
There is an emigration museum just opened in Bremerhaven last year. It mostly covers overseas emigration, but also some who went elsewhere. Their records currently cover the periods 1820-1833, 1840-1891, 1904 and 1907. You can actually order a search to be done online, for a fee (rather hefty). http://www.deutsche-auswanderer-datenbank.de/index.php?id=51
I have just learned that 3 (possibly 4) of my relatives are listed there. They all went to England, never to America. For me, it is a very valuable resource; perhaps it would be of value to you as well.
Various archives in Germany have various records. With the help of another rootschatter, I found a relative on the Auslanderer (emigration) records of the Lower Saxony Archives (Niedersachsen) online, which led remarkably quickly to my discovering my living German family! See Rena's post on the previous page of this thread. The Auslander record, from 1867, said he was going to America, but he did not get there; he only went to England. The archivist at Niedersachsen archives most emphatically would not send me the record, saying "it is not possible", and she tried to discourage me from thinking I might have found the right person, but, still, in spite of her, the info online was sufficient to get me started in the right direction, and I was right all along, as it happens. So, don't be discouraged by German archivists is my message!
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« Last Edit: Tuesday 24 July 07 08:12 UTC (UK) by loo »
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ARMSTRONG - Castleton Scot, Westminster Twp
BARFIELD - Nailsea & NL
BRAKE - Nailsea
BURIATTE
CANDY - M'sex, Deptford
CLIFFORD - Maidstone
DURE(E) - France, Devon, Canada
HALLS - Chigwell
KREIN
LEOPOLD - Hanover, London
LATTIMER - lightermen
MAXWELL - lightermen
MEYER - Lauenstein
MURRAY - Scot.borders
STEWART - Chelsea; Reach
SWANICK - Co.Mayo & Roscommon; Ontario
WEST - Rochester & Maidstone
WILLIS - Wilts, Berks, Hants, London
WOODHOUSE - Bristol, London
WW1 internments
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scottw67
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Hi
Ancestry.co.uk has hamburg passenger list, 1850-1934.
cheers
scott
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marilynesther
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hello all!
Many thanks for the sites and tips  I will try them all!
Been hungrey for some information on German searching... D apD where did you go ? 
One of our German surnames is HEFLINE with many different spellings I am sure. The first record we can find is on the 1830 US Census for our GrGrGrGrandfather John HAEFLEIN , from Germany. SUPPOSEDLY as family stories go, the name was "VON" HAEFLEIN, HEFLINE, HEFLEIN, HEFLENE..etc and somewhere in the tree was a German Count in Baden....SUPPOSEDLY....
Cannot seem to find what port he arrived in, but ended up in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. Have records from 1830 on, but brickwall prior to that, so hopefully those sites will help in our search.
Another German surname in our tree is THAW... any suggestions as to other spellings.? 
All the best, Marilyn
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BAIRD - Kirkcudbright, Scotland
RAMSDEN - Lancashire, Yorkshire, England
SILCOCK, GREAVES, LORD, GREENALL - Lancashire, England
HOWELL - Stroud,Gloucestershire; Westminster,
Middlesex, England
COUSINS, DAVIES, KING - Westminster, Middlesex,
England
WALKER, ARCHER
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marilynesther
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Posts: 10
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Many thanks Gill, never new about the t and d thing. Will give it a try and see what comes up!
I felt very confident searching my English and Scottish lines, but now, with the German side of the family, I feel somewhat handicapped and unsure of myself.. So glad to have this panel to come to for help 
I was also told the Thaw could be "Tau". Any thoughts on this?
Marilyn
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BAIRD - Kirkcudbright, Scotland
RAMSDEN - Lancashire, Yorkshire, England
SILCOCK, GREAVES, LORD, GREENALL - Lancashire, England
HOWELL - Stroud,Gloucestershire; Westminster,
Middlesex, England
COUSINS, DAVIES, KING - Westminster, Middlesex,
England
WALKER, ARCHER
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