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Topic: Looking for Fadzens in Scotland (Read 1638 times)
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alllegs
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Hi Rose,
Your Fadzen's are not in Wigtownshire in the 1851 census. Mabye try the www.dumgal.gov.uk website for other variations of the name.
Hopefully someone esle can find them somewhere else.
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDUR-Bainbridge,Hodgson,Richardson,Walker,Thompson,Armory,Wynn,Humble,Dunn,Chapman,Herin YKS-Bradley,Hellawell,Dransfield,Sanderson,Gledhill,Mallinson,Tyas,Thornton,Nobel,Brook,Senior,Bower,Kay,Hirst,Smith,Lockwood,Clayton,Rollinson,Swallow NTHNTS-Hubbard,Line,Goate,Tyler,Weed,Warren,Brown,Hollowell,Bird,Kirby,Dolby,Gilbert,Wootton NFK-Burton,Myhill,Fisher,Thompson LNRK-Neilson,Dudson,Forrest,McNight,Paterson WL-Williams |
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Rose224
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Thank you. The Wigtownshire reference was to Joseph's wife birthplace so she would presumably have had a different maiden name.
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alllegs
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Hiya Rose,
I think we've hit the jackpot!!!!
They are definately in Scotland in 1851.....
Search for Joseph McFazdean, he is in Penninghame with wife Jane and children Jane and John, Janet must not have been born until after the census was taken.
Address 9 Gorbals,
Occ Agricultural labourer
born Mochrum, Wigstown
Jane is a sewer (not as in the place where the teenage mutant turtles live but a person who sews!)
There are a few other McFadzeans in the same area too
search www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx
All the best
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDUR-Bainbridge,Hodgson,Richardson,Walker,Thompson,Armory,Wynn,Humble,Dunn,Chapman,Herin YKS-Bradley,Hellawell,Dransfield,Sanderson,Gledhill,Mallinson,Tyas,Thornton,Nobel,Brook,Senior,Bower,Kay,Hirst,Smith,Lockwood,Clayton,Rollinson,Swallow NTHNTS-Hubbard,Line,Goate,Tyler,Weed,Warren,Brown,Hollowell,Bird,Kirby,Dolby,Gilbert,Wootton NFK-Burton,Myhill,Fisher,Thompson LNRK-Neilson,Dudson,Forrest,McNight,Paterson WL-Williams |
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Rose224
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I am so excited. I can't wait to check all this out. Thank you once again!!!
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alllegs
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No problems Rose,
Glad I could help. You have to search for each name seperately though but they all give their relation to Joseph.
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDUR-Bainbridge,Hodgson,Richardson,Walker,Thompson,Armory,Wynn,Humble,Dunn,Chapman,Herin YKS-Bradley,Hellawell,Dransfield,Sanderson,Gledhill,Mallinson,Tyas,Thornton,Nobel,Brook,Senior,Bower,Kay,Hirst,Smith,Lockwood,Clayton,Rollinson,Swallow NTHNTS-Hubbard,Line,Goate,Tyler,Weed,Warren,Brown,Hollowell,Bird,Kirby,Dolby,Gilbert,Wootton NFK-Burton,Myhill,Fisher,Thompson LNRK-Neilson,Dudson,Forrest,McNight,Paterson WL-Williams |
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Rose224
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I get so frustrated with this stuff. I used the link you provided, entered all the criteria you game me, including the variation in spelling, and when I hit search it comes up with 0 results.
HELP!!!!
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Rose224
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It's working now. It is a GREAT find allegs. I'll paw around tonight and try to take it further, although I suspect I won't get anywhere and will be back for more help. . . heavy sigh!!!
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JAP
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Rose,
From the IGI, this is possibly the marriage of Joseph and Jane.
MCFAZZIAN Joseph married LITTERICK Jane, 22 Oct 1841, Mochrum Wigtown
JAP
PS: I found this by looking up the Mochrum batch numbers on the excellent Hugh Wallis site at:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm
Then, in the IGI at:
http://www.familysearch.org
I entered the relevant batch number (M118924) in the batch box, selected British Isles as the region (nothing else), and entered Joseph in the first name box (no surname) and Jane in the spouse (forename) box (no surname).
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JAP
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Hi again Rose,
Another find from the IGI - a christening which seems to confirm the above!
MCFADYEAN Janet, bap 9 Nov 1851, Penninghame Wigtown, parents Joseph MCFADYEAN and Jane LITTERICK.
JAP
PS: The following might also be relevant but ...
MCFADYEN Mary, bap 25 Apr 1847, Mochrum Wigtown, parents John MCFADYEN and Jane LITTERICK.
PPS: Unfortunately the 1841 census for Mochrum is not yet online at FreeCEN but when it does come online it could be very useful. Or you could request an 1841 lookup on the Wigtown board?
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Rose224
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Wow. If this is them, it is a great deal of additional information. Is it common to have so many different spellings of the same last name?
We now have Fadzen, McFadzean, McFazzian, McFadyen and McFadyean. The Janet birthdate certainly fits.
How do I verify this information and then use it to go back another generation?
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JAP
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Rose,
If they were mine, I would be more than confident that we were looking at the right people!
It would seem to be too much of a coincidence to find (and I note that you mentioned that Jane FADZEN was born in Wigtonshire - I don't know the source of this. Now I see that it is from the 1881 Bellfieldside census where Jane is transcribed on FamilySearch as FADYEN though from the image it could well say FADZEN - a 60 yo widow b Wigtonshire, with unmarried children Mary 25 and Robert 22 both b Durham):
* Joseph McFAZZIAN marrying Jane LITTERICK in Mochrum Wigtonshire in 1841
* Joseph McFADZEAN (30), wife Jane (32), and children Jane (7), and John (5) in Penninghame (all of them born Mochrum) in the 1851 census (31 Mar 1851)
* Janet MCFADYEN, daughter of Joseph McF and Jane LITTERICK, christened in Nov 1851 in Penninghame
*Joseph FADZEN (might be FADYEN though it looks like a 'z' to me i.e. it is different from the enumerator's 'y' - 39), Jane (39), Jane (17), John (13), Janet (10) all born Scotland - plus Mary and Eliz (both 6) and Robert (3) - in Durham in 1861
*Jane FADGEN (49 and widowed), John (25), Jannet (18), all born Scotland - plus Mary (15) and Robert (13) - in Durham in 1871.
I guess the obvious way to verify that Jane FADZEN/FADGEN's maiden name was LITTERICK is to purchase a birth certificate for one of the children born in Durham.
Then perhaps wait until you can get 1841 census details (when it comes online at FreeCEN, or at ScotlandsPeople which is promised soon, or via a request on the Wigtonshire board) from which you might find (if Joseph and Jane were with their parents - note that they didn't marry until October and the 1841 census was 7 Jun) the forenames of the parents of Joseph and Jane. Also some info about the birthplaces of the parents though the 1841 was fairly limited in the information provided - in the county, elsewhere in Scotland, or in England, Ireland, or Foreign.
If you get this information, you will then be able to search for them - in the IGI, on ScotlandsPeople, etc.
If the parents were considerate enough to remain alive until the time of Statutory Registration in Scotland (it began in 1855) a Scottish death certificate usually holds a wealth of information.
Good luck,
JAP
PS: I wouldn't give a moment's thought to the variability in spelling - you'll probably find many more versions! Though I must admit that MCFAZZIAN is quite a creative spelling - it's the only one in the IGI/ScotlandsPeople.
One of the names I am researching (a one-name study) occurs in both 'Mc' versions and versions without a 'Mc' - and I'm up to over 90 variant spellings to date and still counting.
Incidentally, don't forget that LITTERICK also might be variably spelled e.g. LITTRICK, LETTERICK, etc ...
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Rose224
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Jap - I will indeed do all of the above. Thank you.
I feel like the little bird that everyone is teaching how to fly so I can leave the nest. I would love to post on the Wigtownshire board to what else I might learn but I am afraid that at some point people will get mad and think I am just sitting back and letting everyone else do my work. Do you folks ever get to that point or can I continue to search AND ask for all the help I can get?
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JAP
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Rose,
We are all just mad would-be puzzle solvers and are delighted to have something to worry at!
It can't hurt to ask on the Wigton board - if people can't answer (or even if they don't wish to) then no harm's done! But do mention this thread so they aren't duplicating things which have already been found.
And don't ever hesitate to ask HOW things have been found.
I've just glanced at the FreeBMD coverage for births in the years when twins Mary & Eliz (ca 1855) and little Robert (ca 1858) were born - unfortunately it is really poor (look on the main FreeBMD page (just enter FreeBMD in Google and it will be the top hit) and click on 'Information'); and there's only partial coverage of images of the actual books. So you might need to go to the pay site 1837online to find a reference in order to purchase a birth cert - unless someone can help from another source.
Good luck,
JAP
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: she should be age 7 - and SHE IS!! They really look like the same family. Also John is 13 on the 1861 census but 25 in 1871 so John being 5 in 1851 also ties in.