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SAM100
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Hi Kev,
I am trying to locate an ancestor described as a pensioner - 41st regiment in the 1871 census.
His name is John Thompson
Thanks for your kind offer 
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SAM100
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Hi Kev,
Apologies....should have read all the posts first and would then have found your link to your wonderful site.
Many thanks for sharing it
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Philcandy
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Hello All:
This is my first post & I hope that I have done it correctly.
I am in urgent need of some help in confirming a casualty of the Crimean War. The chap's name is:
2584 Pte. Goodburn Mason, 30th Regiment.
I have several of 2/Rifle Brigade muster rolls, and on one he is listed as 'hospital' and then as 'dead'.
I have scoured every source that I know for Crimean casualties, and have come up empty. As a matter of fact I cannot find him on any British census at all.
I did find a William Henry Goodburn Mason on the 1851 census but cannot connect him to my man in any way at all.
The 2 bars on his medal, ALMA & INKERMANN are also confirmed.
Any help would be most honestly appreciated.
Sincere thanks,
Marty
Marty
It looks as if you have posted on this man in a number of places.
I wonder if you have seen the following which refers to William Henry Goodburn MASON as a printseller in Brighton, Sussex:
At the time of the 1841 census, William Lane was working as a servant in the King's Road premises of William Henry Goodburn Mason (1810-1879), the well known Printseller of Brighton. W. H. Mason was the publisher of the popular coloured print "The Brighton Panorama" (1833) and was later to gain attention for producing the famous coloured print "Cricket Match played between Sussex and Kent, 1849" created by the artists William Drummond and Charles J. Basebe. W. H. Mason was the proprietor of Brighton's Repository of Arts and exhibited engravings, lithographs, aquatints and other works of art at his business premises. During his employment with W. H. Mason, William Lane would have had regular contact with artists - he was living in the same household as William Drummond, the portrait painter, when the 1841 census was taken - and this might explain Lane's later interest in picture framing and portrait photography *. (http://www.photohistory-sussex.co.uk/BTN-LaneWm.htm)
Given the rarity of the name (or at least the names Goodburn AND Mason together), I wonder if you have considered the possibility that the medal holder was related to William H G Mason in Brighton? It might be worth looking to see if he is in the same household at the time of the 1841 Census referred to above.
The National Portrait Gallery website has the following information about William Henry G Mason on its website:
William Mason, Repository of Arts, 1 Ship St, Brighton by 1832-1838, 81 King's Road 1839-1846 or later, 80 King's Road 1850, 108 King's Road by 1851-1871 or later. Carver and gilder, printseller and publisher.
William Henry G. Mason was born in London in about 1811. He was listed in Pigot's Sussex Directory for 1832-4, and as William Henry Mason, printseller, in 1839 and subsequently. In the 1861 census he was recorded as a printseller, age 50, with wife, Mary, age 46, and son, William H., photographic artist, age 21, and other children; he was similarly listed in 1871 census. The business had an account with Roberson, 1832-62 (Woodcock 1997), trading as W.H. Mason from Ship St, 1 Kings Road and 108 Kings Road, Brighton. Mason's printed label is recorded, c.1828-35
It looks as if W H G Mason married in Pancras in the March Quarter of 1838, so if they are related, then this marriage certificate would give WHG's father's name and carry you back a further generation.
I assume you have seen the fact that a medal and two bars (Inkerman and Alma) is for sale from Aberdeen Medals with the following notation:
Crimea Medal & 2 clasps 'Alma' & 'Inkermann' (Goodburn Mason, 30th Regt) The naming on the medal is officially impressed. The recipient joined the 30th Foot in 1847 and subsequently died in the Crimea in early 1855. These details confirmed from copies of the respective muster rolls of the period, copies of which will accompany the medal. Condition: Several edge/rim nicks and light surface scratches hence GF
Yours sincerely
Philip Candy
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51403847
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Hello Philip:
Thank you for the very long reply, and the information contained therein, which I already had gleaned from Ancestry UK over the past 10 days or so.
My gut feeling is that my Goodburn Mason was a relative of WHG Mason, but I have not been able to make a solid connection to prove it beyond a resonable doubt.
The medal, that I own, is the one you describe above, which I purchased from Abredeen, and it is officially impressed, as were all Crimea medals to those who died as the result of wounds or illnesses. Other recipients either had their medals privately engraved or done at the Regiment level, each Regiment having distinct styles.
The web has many sites that list Crimea casualties, either alphabetically of by Regiment, and I cannot find my man listed, even on ship returning to the U.K. Queries on several British medal related forums has brough me no better results.
I have checked the censues for 1841, 1851 & 1861, also with no success. As he enlisted in 1847 and died in 1854-55, he would have missed both the '51 &, of course, the '61 censuses.
I have come to realize over the years that there are many 'holes' in the records, either by submission or omission, and have therefore resigned myself to the fact that I may not be able to go any further with Goodburn Mason.
One other thought has occured to me, and that is that he is related to another mason family, and that the Goodburn was possibly his mother's maiden name.
I have a Queen's Sudan medal to a chap named Hazell. His real name turns out to be Lane, but after being imprisoned for 84 days for false enlistment both the army and he agreed to use the name of Hazell on all futher paperwork and medals.
I sincerely thank you for your time, and appreciate your effort.
Marty
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arranquest
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Good morning
I hope that you can help me!!
Desperately seeking JOHN ARRAN, a private 1st of Foot.
I have documentation leading back to his "wife Jane Arran in Pembrokeshire, where in 1871 she is a widow with 3 children, John 1853'sh, Martha 1854'sh and Annie 1868'sh! The death certificate I have of Jane states that she is a widow of a John Arran Private 1st of Foot Regiment.
There are no birth certifictaes for the children , and no marriage certificate for her and John.
I have been in contact with Colonel Mason of the Royal Scots, who was very informative regarding movements of 1st of Foot in Wales in 1853/1854 (they were stationed in Pembrokeshire!).
Also with Kew, but they could not trace John in the 1st Battalion musters of 1852-1854. But I know that they are very exact in their name searches! and maybe Arran was spealt differently!
So, I do hope that you may be able to enlighten me, as to if John served in the Crimea and got injured!!!!
Kinsdest Regards, Lynnette.
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Penholder
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Hi Kevwood
Would mind looking to see if you have a William JONES amongst your Crimean dead? I know it's a bit of a common name and apologies that I have no idea which regiment, if any, he might have been in. Here is what information I have on him:
He was born in Shropshire in 1911, joined the Royal Marines in 1832 and was then invalided out in 1847. He didn't rejoin the Marines as I have checked the Description Books at Kew.
In 1851 he was back in Shropshire with his wife and children, working as a labourer. In 1852 the family was in Hartshill, Warwickshire, and when his daughter was baptised his occupation was soldier. After that he just disappears. His wife's next child (1856) has no father's name on the birth certificate
I can't find a death registration or burial for him in Warwickshire and in 1857 his wife married again. As the Crimean War co-incides quite nicely with when he did his disappearing act I am just wondering if that is where he went.
Many thanks,
Diana
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Hakes, Hillyard, Lebatt & Bodsworth Piddington, Northants
Bonner, Warwickshire
Jones, Rushbury, Shropshire; Nuneaton & Birmingham, Warwickshire; Piddington & Northampton, Northants
Penhorwood, Devon
Shutt, Devon & Kent
Oliver, Davies & James, Pembrokeshire
Green, Enser, Oldham & Watmough, Nottinghamshire
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Kevwood
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Hi
Lynette - Have searched everything i have and can find no trace of a John Arran, or any remotely similar name im afraid.
Diana- Strangely i live about 8 miles from Hartshill, have you tried death register for Hinckley in Leicestershire, Hartshill is pretty much on the county border.
Lots of William Jones:
Jones W Private 4729 23rd Foot (Royal Welsh Fusiliers) Slight Wound Final Attack on the Redan 08 September 1855
Jones W Private 3948 7th Foot (Royal Fusiliers) Slight Wound Final Attack on the Redan 08 September 1855
Jones W Private 3484 90th Foot (Perthshire Volunteers) Severe Wound Final Attack on the Redan 08 September 1855
Jones William Private 19th Foot (1st Yorkshire North Riding) Wounded Battle at the River Alma 20 September 1854
Jones William Private 3860 20th Foot (East Devonshire) Wounded Second Battle of Inkermann 05 November 1854
Jones William Private 4748 23rd Foot (Royal Welsh Fusiliers) Killed in Action Final Attack on the Redan 08 September 1855
Jones William Private 3224 34th Foot (Cumberland) Died Sebastopol 17 February 1855 b. Bath Easton, Bath, a cooper. Enlisted 25 February 1852 aged 17 & 11m, Father S. Jones of Bath.
Jones William Private 3449 34th Foot (Cumberland) Severe Wound 1st Attack on the Redan 18 June 1855 See Mutiny Medal Roll
Jones William Private 3921 38th Foot (1st Staffordshire) Severe Wound 1st Attack on the Redan 18 June 1855
Jones William Private 4th Light Dragoons (Queen's Own) Slight Wound Action at Balaklava 25 October 1854
Jones William Private 3846 56th Foot (West Essex) Danger Wound Minor actions at Sebastopol 04 September 1855
Jones William Private 3500 77th Foot (East Middlesex) Missing in Action Final Attack on the Redan 08 September 1855
Jones William Private 95th Foot (Derbyshire) Wounded Battle at the River Alma 20 September 1854
Jones William Sergeant 3141 Coldstream Guards Died Turkey 13 August 1854 b. Hempstead, Norfolk, a labourer, enlisted 09 January 1846
Jones William Able Seaman H.M.S. Queen Severe Wound Naval Brigade Ashore 12 April 1855
Jones William Sailmaker's Mate H.M.S. Wasp Slight Wound Naval Brigade Ashore 09 April 1855
Kev.
PS just to point out that the site that is linked on the previous page is not mine, its just a fantastic site that i know of.
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Penholder
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Hi Kevwood
Many thanks for your prompt reply. That certainly gives me a fair few names to follow up! I will look into Hinckley as well. I hadn't thought about the death being registered there although I do have a couple of missing marriages that I have posted queries about on the Leicester boards. No luck, so far.
Regards,
Diana
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Hakes, Hillyard, Lebatt & Bodsworth Piddington, Northants
Bonner, Warwickshire
Jones, Rushbury, Shropshire; Nuneaton & Birmingham, Warwickshire; Piddington & Northampton, Northants
Penhorwood, Devon
Shutt, Devon & Kent
Oliver, Davies & James, Pembrokeshire
Green, Enser, Oldham & Watmough, Nottinghamshire
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Kevwood
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Hi again, had a look and there are deaths listed at Atherstone for William Jones in 4th qrtr 1854(6d 219) and 3rd qrtr 1856(6d 16), they are real possibilities its only a couple of miles from Hartshill
Kev. 
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cobba1982
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Hi Kev,
Its great work you are doing.
Could I please check your records for a John Neeson. He served with the 64th Regiment of Foot
(2nd Staffordshire). He was stationed in India from 1848 until 1861 so I believe he could have taken part in the Indian Mutiny.
Thanks so much for your help,
best regards Rob
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vmhp
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Do you have anything for a John Hoban who was serving at that time? No idea which regiment - all I have is the name. Many thanks. Valerie
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Ted Shore
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Hi. I am looking for Pte Thomas Shore I think killed in the Charge of the Heavy Brigade, Crimea Balaklava.
Thank you,
Ted
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Kevwood
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Hi all, no look-ups for about a month im afraid as i am in the middle of moving house and things are packed away, I will also have no internet access until the middle of March, as soon as it is sorted I will do them for you all.
In the meantime please try Kevin Asplins site that I have linked to on previous pages.
Kev.
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macbeth72
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looking for info on a Walter Lewis who died July 1814 buried in India, was DRum Major of the 89th Regiment
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