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George and Harriet Hackford farmers at Overdine. Would be in their 50s when they appear at this farm on the 1901 census. Resident with them are Rhoda and Ada - daughters. The eldest daughter is Ruth who is married to a man called (George or Arthur)Walker with two baby son's Rumply and Dudley Walker. Ruth and her husband were running a boarding house on Cinderhill Rd, Kidderminster per 1901 census. Ruth was about 30 and her husband was 60+ !!
I am interested in
a) ancestors of George and Harriet Hackford.
b) any information about Ruth Hackford. She is my great grandmother. In 1896 she had a son Reginald Hackford Walker illegitimately in a servant/master scenario. Ruth is shown as married to Walker (then a Birmingham fruit dealer) on Reginald's birth cert. This is not correct. Ruth did not marry Mr.Walker until c1898. So Rumply and Dudley are Mr.Walker's sons and Reginald was the son of another man. Reginald was fostered out to William and Emma or Emily Passey who lived in Lower Mitton, Stroud and were childless themselves. Here Reginald was known as Reginald Hackford Passey and is shown on the 1901 census as an adopted son! However Reginald lived as a Walker in his adult life and told his family that he was illegitimate. I do know that his mother was working as a parlour maid in 1891 for an estate agent called Greene in Bromley, Kent per 1891 census. The Greene family ran estate agencies in London which I believe is where they were from originally. In the 1891 census they had a nine year old son called Reginald Greene. In 1896 is it possible that that a 14 year old Reginald Greene had a liaison with a 25 year old parlour maid. Yes it is. But it could also be that could also be that Ruth liked the name Reginald so gave it to her own her son. I do not know if Ruth was still in the employ of the Greene family in 1896; my grandfather must have been conceived c Feb 1896 in order to born in Nov 1896.
Reginald Hackford Walker is my grandfather. He told me that he never met his mother in his life. He also told me that when he was small that his natural father did visit him once. He arrived by car!! The man got out of the back of the car wearing a top hat and gave him some sweets. Money was settled on Reginald to raise him in a manner as would befit his father. Papers did exist until about 1959 but Reginald burnt them when his wife died. There is a suggestion that his foster/adoptive father William Passey embezzled the money. William Passey was a drinker and burnt the house down accidently whilst inebriated. Reginald did have a high regard for his foster/adoptive mother. She may have died leaving Reginald alone with William. Reginald ran away and worked on a coal ship or boat whilst a teenager before enlisting in WWI. At some point he dropped the name Passey and became known as Walker inline with his birth certificate. Also Reginald had an abhorrence of alcohol because of his experience with William Passey.
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Begley, Crowe, Whelan - Carlow, Ireland
Hackford - Herefordshire, England
Riches, Chilver(s) Suffolk, England
Passey - Worcestershire, England
Walker - Birmingham/Worcestershire
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In 1891 they are in Woolhope
George aged 55 born in Lugwardine
Harriet aged 55 born in Kingstone
aslo in Woolhope are shown
Elizabeth aged 28 born Little Dewchurch
Ada aged 12 born in Withington
Anne 2 born Sollars Hope
Mary A 6 born ..
William G born ..
Thomas 4 born Woolhope
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George Hackford was born in 12 JUL 1835 Lugwardine to Ann Hackford [no father is mentioned on IGI]
In 1851 George John Hackford aged 15 is in Mordiford
On 1881 census they are at Wellington Village
George HACKFORD 43 born Lugwardine, Ag Lab
Harriet HACKFORD Wife 43 b Kingstone,
Ruth HACKFORD Dau 11 b Wellington, Scholar
Rhoda HACKFORD Dau 9 b Wellington,
Ada HACKFORD Dau 2 b Wellington
they also had a lodger
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The ones I listed are the only ones in Herefordshire on the 1891 Census.
Any idea how they fit into your family tree ?
Ada is identifiable, but what about Elizabeth and the children who was she 
Geroge John is what he was baptised and shows on the 1851 census, so why did he drop the John after that I wonder.
Has anyone got the 1861 and 1871 census for Herefordshire to check on his whereabouts then. And also the 1841, was he with his mother then, and did she marry ? He seems to have moved about working as an agricultural labourer around Herefordshire.
Do you have a copy of the marriage certificate from the Hereford Register Office which will give more details of Harriet's maiden name and fathers will be shown if given. ?
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Address
Hereford Register Office
County Buildings
Bath Street
Hereford HR1 2HQ
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Hello Sheryl,
Thanks to EBN who posted on this chat earlier I realised there was an Elizabeth Hackford in the picture. Anne, your great-grandmother was the the daughter of Elizabeth and the granddaughter of George and Harriet Hackford. Have I understood correctly?.
I am the great-granddaughter of Ruth Hackford ( gr. gr. granddaughter of George Hackford. Have you read my first posting and if so have you ever heard a story of an illegitimate birth in the family.
I think that Hackfords are uncommon in Herefordshire. They seem to be more common in East Anglia. There is a Hackford village in Norfolk. Perhaps the Herefordshire Hackfords are ultimately East Anglian. 
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Begley, Crowe, Whelan - Carlow, Ireland
Hackford - Herefordshire, England
Riches, Chilver(s) Suffolk, England
Passey - Worcestershire, England
Walker - Birmingham/Worcestershire
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The Hackfords do seem to be uncommon in Herefordshire, I've only traced as far back as Elizabeth at the moment, as I've had to trace the Clarke's (who my Gt Grandmother married into) and the Brookes's (who Annie's daughter married into, my grandparents).
I appear to be pure Herefordshire in my ancestory.
I have found one rather notorious Hereford Hackford...but I draw a blank on his history....google 'Hereford Dick'...he was a bare knuckle fighter, and escaped from Hereford prison. I have a feeling, that once I research some more into the Hackford's, he will be a member of 'our family'. 
I'll carry on with my researching, and will pop back to let you know how things are going.
I think the illegitimate birth/s might be related to 'my Elizabeth'.....my Grandma NEVER divulged her birth name to any of us, her and her brothers took on their step fathers name, it was only when she died we discovered she had a different birth name.
I'm going to send for my Grandma's birth certificate to try and find out more. As soon as I know anything I'll let you know.
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Hackford ... Herefordshire
Gammond... Herefordshire
Clarke...Herefordshire
Brookes...Gloucestershire
Powell....Herefordshire
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Hello Sheryl,
This is amazingly interesting for me. Ruth Hackford has always been a mystery to me until fairly recently. But with various census I found her quite easily( 1871-1901). I can't wait for 1911 to become available?
I was really interested to hear that George jnr and Elizabeth split up and that she remarried. Could this have happened legally in the 1890's? My findings regarding my grandfather's birth certificate and his mother's later date for marriage to the man who was "supposed" to be grandad's father, may show that people were prepared to run the risk of making illegal declarations, rather than run the risk of not being "respectable".
I hope we are related to Hereford Dick, he sounds like quite a character.
The other thing I've wondered is if George Hackford senior and Harriet were religious because of their preference for bible names for their children.
These websites may be of interest -
www.south-wales.police.uk/fe/master.asp?nl=8&n2=2532n3=379 This page refers to Hereford Dick and includes a photo. I've literally just googled this in the past 5 minutes!
This second website refers to George snr and Harriet. I've had this one for a while -
www.archenfield.com/Trackways%202.htm
The photo is of George's landlord.
Best Wishes
Karen
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Begley, Crowe, Whelan - Carlow, Ireland
Hackford - Herefordshire, England
Riches, Chilver(s) Suffolk, England
Passey - Worcestershire, England
Walker - Birmingham/Worcestershire
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Hi Karen.
Thanks for the links, It really is so interesting to find out all this extra information. I feel really 'in touch' with our ancestors now, especially as the Hackford side was kept so secretive for so many years.
I was chatting to my mom, and she has been going through my grandma's (Annie) 'diary' (a book of family births etc.,) and remembering snippets of info passed to us through the generations, I'm very lucky in that I spent most of my childhood with my Grandma (and Uncle Will lived with us) in Ross on Wye.
And from what we can glean, although we didn't know the Hackford surname before. Thomas Henry (the 4 month old baby in the 1891 census) was actually the son of William Gammond, although my Grandma and Uncle Will were George's children. So it looks as if George and Elizabeth were divorced (perhaps on her infidelity, or maybe he had already left her and then she got with William Gammond).
There seems to be a 6 year gap from Thomas Henry's conception/birth to when both Elizabeth and George remarried the others, perhaps they had to wait that long for a divorce?
As William Gammond, and the Gammond family, owned a few farms, and had servants, perhaps this is where the illigitimate child of master/servant rumour came from. I know the story has come down our branch of the family, and it looks as if it has come down your side too. I think we must have rather 'racy' ancestors. 
I'll continue questioning my mom, and looking at all the sites I've joined, I've managed to view many birth/wedding/death records. And last night I found Annie's husbands military record and his two brothers too (all three were killed in WW1).
I'll see what else I can find out about Ruth for you, and let you know.
I seem to be running into a dead end with Richard Hackford (Hereford Dick) perhaps he isn't on the census's as he was in prison quite a lot.
Take care and hope to find out more for you,
Sheryl
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Hackford ... Herefordshire
Gammond... Herefordshire
Clarke...Herefordshire
Brookes...Gloucestershire
Powell....Herefordshire
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