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Eintracht
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Looking for Charles BULPIT (born between 1850 and 1855) in the 1861 and 1871 census returns for Hampshire. His father is George BULPIT.
He was born in either Andover or Hurstbourne I believe. Any information on his siblings and his mother would be great.
Many thanks
Chris
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HAMPSHIRE : Wake, Bulpit, Newman, Smith
OXFORD : Burden, Holt, Ayris, Brooks, Brown, Goddard, Hedges
SURREY : Eggleton, Simmonds, Buckland, Tyrrell, Smith, Tickner, Strudwick, Holt
SUSSEX : Payne, Edmunds, Parsons, Kemp, Gillett
SOMERSET : Comerford, Porter, Rowles, Rumney
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Darcy
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Hi Chris, 
here is a possibility for Charles although he is a bit older than you expect.
1861 Census Foxcotte
John Bulpit, head, 56, Carter, Hungerford Berks
Eliza, wife, 52, Parnbourne Berks
Charles , grandson, 15, Carter, Hurstcombe Hampshire
George Sopher, servant, 12, Carter Boy, Hasleton Hampshire
Carston Dive Rebbil, lodger, wid, 42, Incumbent of Christ Church Smannell, Woodford Essex
RG9/715
Folio: 36
Page: 3
Still with his grandparents in 1851.
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Darcy
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Fisher, Pitts, Lucas, Emmit, Keal, Bennett, Maddock, Jackson, Pidd, Lincolnshire Bullock, Read, White, Gloucestershire. Shepherd, Foyle, Crowter, Green, Wiltshire Strickland, Fisher, Butterworth, Brown, Northhamptonshire Shepherd, Bullock, Waterhouse, Lancashire Fisher, Goodwin, Rutland Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Eintracht
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Darcy,
Thank you for this - it is my Charles. The full 1851 entry would be really useful please if you could sent that to me.
Many thanks again.
Chris
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HAMPSHIRE : Wake, Bulpit, Newman, Smith
OXFORD : Burden, Holt, Ayris, Brooks, Brown, Goddard, Hedges
SURREY : Eggleton, Simmonds, Buckland, Tyrrell, Smith, Tickner, Strudwick, Holt
SUSSEX : Payne, Edmunds, Parsons, Kemp, Gillett
SOMERSET : Comerford, Porter, Rowles, Rumney
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Darcy
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I'll have a look for him again. Didn't want to post in case it wasn't the correct Charles.
Darcy
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Fisher, Pitts, Lucas, Emmit, Keal, Bennett, Maddock, Jackson, Pidd, Lincolnshire Bullock, Read, White, Gloucestershire. Shepherd, Foyle, Crowter, Green, Wiltshire Strickland, Fisher, Butterworth, Brown, Northhamptonshire Shepherd, Bullock, Waterhouse, Lancashire Fisher, Goodwin, Rutland Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Darcy
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Chris, 
the heat must have got to me today. I can't imagine what I was looking at. It's George who is with his parents in 1851 and he's unmarried. Maybe Charles' age is wrong in 1851. Do you have him on the later censuses? Sorry for confusing you. 
1851 Census Andover
Hatherden
John Bulpit, head, 49, Ag lab, Hungerford Berks
Eliza, wife, 49, Parnbourne Berks
George, son, un, 24, Ag Lab, Hampstead Marshall
HO 107/1683
Folio: 475
Page: 21
Regards
Darcy
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Fisher, Pitts, Lucas, Emmit, Keal, Bennett, Maddock, Jackson, Pidd, Lincolnshire Bullock, Read, White, Gloucestershire. Shepherd, Foyle, Crowter, Green, Wiltshire Strickland, Fisher, Butterworth, Brown, Northhamptonshire Shepherd, Bullock, Waterhouse, Lancashire Fisher, Goodwin, Rutland Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Eintracht
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Thanks for trying, unfortunately I already have this entry. I was excited when you said you had Charles in 1851 as this is the only census I'm missing him on !! He never seems to have lived with his father, and his mother has never appeared. I'm assuming from the other census returns I have that he was born around 1846 give or take 2 years so should appear in 1851. My big barrier is trying to trace his mother. As his father is with his parents in 1851 (unless I have the wrong George, but dates and birthplace tie up) she might have died or been living alone in 1851. Therefore I was hoping that, if you had found Chalres in 1851 it would have solved all my mysteries. Perhaps he is with his mother or her parents but the search continues....
Thanks again for your efforts.
Chris
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HAMPSHIRE : Wake, Bulpit, Newman, Smith
OXFORD : Burden, Holt, Ayris, Brooks, Brown, Goddard, Hedges
SURREY : Eggleton, Simmonds, Buckland, Tyrrell, Smith, Tickner, Strudwick, Holt
SUSSEX : Payne, Edmunds, Parsons, Kemp, Gillett
SOMERSET : Comerford, Porter, Rowles, Rumney
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Darcy
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I apologise again Chris. I'm still looking to see how I got that result this morning. It's the first time I have ever done anything like that.
I'll try again for Charles and will post if I have any luck.
Darcy
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Fisher, Pitts, Lucas, Emmit, Keal, Bennett, Maddock, Jackson, Pidd, Lincolnshire Bullock, Read, White, Gloucestershire. Shepherd, Foyle, Crowter, Green, Wiltshire Strickland, Fisher, Butterworth, Brown, Northhamptonshire Shepherd, Bullock, Waterhouse, Lancashire Fisher, Goodwin, Rutland Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Eintracht
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Don't worry about it, I'm just grateful for your help.
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HAMPSHIRE : Wake, Bulpit, Newman, Smith
OXFORD : Burden, Holt, Ayris, Brooks, Brown, Goddard, Hedges
SURREY : Eggleton, Simmonds, Buckland, Tyrrell, Smith, Tickner, Strudwick, Holt
SUSSEX : Payne, Edmunds, Parsons, Kemp, Gillett
SOMERSET : Comerford, Porter, Rowles, Rumney
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Dave Francis
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Hi Chris,
I haven't found Charles, but I think I've found out some more about his father George which may help.
First of all, there's a marriage registration of a George BULPIT in the December qtr of 1851 in Andover (vol 7 page 73). Cross-referencing indicates three potential spouses including one Ann POTTER.
This is evidently the couple in 1861:
1861 Census of Andover, Hants
RG9/715 folio 67 pp11-12
"Red Lion Inn"
George Bulpitt, head, mar, 35, innkeeper, born Newbury Berks
Ann Bulpitt, wife, mar, 43, innkeepers wife, born Abbots Ann Hants
George Henry Bulpitt, son, 8, scholar, born Wildhern Hants [sic]
Mary Ann Bulpitt, daur, 6, born Andover Hants
Walter Herbert Bulpitt, 3, born Andover Hants
Charles Dudman, boarder, un, 32, shepherd, born Chute Wilts
So where was Ann (Potter) ten years earlier?
1851 Census of Andover, Hants
"Hatherden Bell & Crown"
James Potter, head, un, 25, innkeeper, born Abbots Ann Hants
Ann Potter, sister, un, 30, born Abbots Ann Hants
Priscilla Potter, niece, 6, born Abbots Ann Hants
Henry Cole, lodger, 35, agricultural labourer, born Grately Hants
And who was living next door to the pub at the time?
Answer: Your George with his parents John and Eliza!
So it looks like George did get married - he married the sister of the publican next door.
However, it is significant that Charles is not with either of them.
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukSurnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast |
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Dave Francis
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OOPs - clicked on "Post" before I finished!
I was going to say that it's significant that Charles wasn't with George or Ann in 1851. This makes me think, at the very least, that Ann wasn't his mother.
IF we have the right George Bulpit then it's notable that he was legally a minor when Charles was born. I suspect that George was perhaps guilty of sowing wild oats. Charles is therefore elsewhere, possibly with his (unknown) mother or perhaps even adopted by another family and listed (in 1851) under a completely different name.
Cheers
Dave
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukSurnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast |
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Eintracht
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Ooooh, Dave. That's a real poser. Something to think about. I'll have to sit in a dark corner and try and get my head around all this. Yeah, where is Charles ? Obviously, Ann is not his mother. He must be illigitimate and living under his mothers name or something ?
Just got your next post half way through this. Seems we think alike.
Maybe I've just got to trawl through the parish of the 1851 census looking for a Charles aged about 5 without a father !!
Thanks for all your help, I knew my relatives would end up in a pub somewhere !!!!
Chris
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HAMPSHIRE : Wake, Bulpit, Newman, Smith
OXFORD : Burden, Holt, Ayris, Brooks, Brown, Goddard, Hedges
SURREY : Eggleton, Simmonds, Buckland, Tyrrell, Smith, Tickner, Strudwick, Holt
SUSSEX : Payne, Edmunds, Parsons, Kemp, Gillett
SOMERSET : Comerford, Porter, Rowles, Rumney
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Dave Francis
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Here's an interesting possibility.....
From BIVRI
Charles MUSPRATT
Born: 11 Oct 1844
Chr: 26 Mar 1847 in Andover
Mother: Sarah MUSPRATT
Father not named.
[FHL Film 1041199]
Also:
Frederick MUSPRATT
Chr: 26 Jan 1851 in Andover
Mother: Sarah MUSPRATT
Father not named.
[FHL Film 1041199]
And among other inmates in the 1851 Census of the Andover Union Workhouse:
Sarah Muspratt, un, 25, domestic servant, born Appleshaw Hants
Charles Muspratt, 6, born Andover Hants
<unnamed> Muspratt, 7 mths, born Andover Hants
Harriett Muspratt, 13, born Appleshaw Hants
Charles Muspratt, un, <11?>, shoe maker, born Appleshaw Hants
[HO107/1683 folio 502 page 8]
I wonder ......?
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukSurnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast |
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Dave Francis
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Cancel that thought!
Sarah Muspratt married Henry James Alfred Horn on 25 Sept 1858 in Andover. [per BIVIR]. In 1861, she and her husband were living in Andover with her son Charles Muspratt. You already have Charles Bulpitt in the 1861 Census, living with grandparents.
Dave
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukSurnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast |
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Eintracht
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Dave,
Thanks for the effort anyway. Any ideas of how I can proceed next to find out more information on Charles and his mother ?
If he was born in Husrtbourne Tarrant, wouldn't looking through the parish registers for there be of any use however I get my hands on them ?
Other than that I'm at a bit of a dead end.
Thanks
Chris
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HAMPSHIRE : Wake, Bulpit, Newman, Smith
OXFORD : Burden, Holt, Ayris, Brooks, Brown, Goddard, Hedges
SURREY : Eggleton, Simmonds, Buckland, Tyrrell, Smith, Tickner, Strudwick, Holt
SUSSEX : Payne, Edmunds, Parsons, Kemp, Gillett
SOMERSET : Comerford, Porter, Rowles, Rumney
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Dave Francis
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Hi Chris,
It's hard to know where to start because there are so many imponderables!
However, BIVRI does cover the christening records for Hurstbourne Tarrant for the period 1587-1876. [FHL Film 1041368].
I've run a search for any child called Charles who was baptised up to 5 years either side of 1848 where only the mother was named.
I found only ONE record:
Charles HAMLYN
chr. 18 Feb 1844
Mother: Mary Anne HAMLYN
NOTE: I am unable to search for surnames beginning with 'C' - Disk 3 in my BIVRI set is corrupt. (So if someone can run the same search, just on Disk 3, we'll see if there are any other candidates.)
I've tried to find these two "Hamylns" in the 1851 Census but to no avail. Anything might have happened to them.
I have of course assumed that your Charles was not only born in Hurstbourne Tarrant but christened there too!
Hope this helps.
Dave
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukSurnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast |
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