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Lumber-Jack
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Halliwell location, Northumberland and Cook family,
Can anybody please help me with the location of Halliwell ( nearest town, parish or census district) in the 1861 and previous/subsequent censuses!
It beats me even though that's where I am trying to track the family of Thomas Cook and Euphemia Morris with at least two sons, Joseph(1855) and James(1853) born in Halliwell.
Thanks very much!
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Lumber-Jack
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Thanks for all your help Rokerman and Pauline,
I took time to reply because I have pieced together a theory from the information so kindly given which I wished to share, with all its gaps and fancies.
The name Euphemia is relatively rare and therefore a good tracking clue, and the ages throughout match to within a year or could have easily been switched between siblings by the census recorder. So here goes!
Eupehmia Morris ( surname from family folklore!) b. 1817 Lilburn in Eglingham Parish Nrthbld, marries ( date unknown) Thomas Cook b. 1808 agricultural labourer from Bambraugh (known as Bambrough, now Bamburgh, just north of Eglingham. Thomas also is a name which is mentioned in our family folklore.
Daughter Jane is born 1838 in Bambraugh.
Family Cook moves to Newcastle on Tyne ( to seek their fortune/work?) where daughter Margaret (1846) and sons John (1840) , Charlton (1847), and Thomas (1850) are born. ( The census recorder cannot spell Euphemia!)
A tragedy happens between 1851 and 1861. Could that have been the Newcastle Cholera Epidemic of 1854? John and Jane could have been of an age to have married and / or moved on, but there is no record of Margaret, Charleton and Thomas Jnr in the 1861 census. I will have to look for a number of death certificates.
Between 1851 and 1861, Euphemia and Thomas Snr move from the city to Wylam in the Parish of Ovington , Nrthbld on the Durham border west of Newcastle ( where Thomas Snr either worked as a miner or as a labourer at Holeyn Hall , later home of Sir Charles Parsons, inventor of the first multi stage steam engine- Holeyn Hall if spoken in rapid Geordie dialect could be taken by an 1881 census recorder especially if rendered by an aging Euphemia as "halliwell" - and moving to Wylam could have been a tonic to a berieved family. All in these brackets is my speculation to be proved or otherwise!)
Sons Joseph (1852) and James (1855) are born at Wylam.
The Cook family moved between 1855 and 1858 further north to Lynmouth ( Linmouth ) , a coastal town in the Woodhorn Parish where son Robert was born (1858) and where, presumably, Thomas Snr worked as a miner.
Between 1858 and !861, Thomas Snr must have died and widowed Euphemia and her three sons set up a shop ( type unknown) in Monkseaton Village adjacent to Cullercoates near Tynemouth.
By 1881, son James Cook had married (date unknown) Ellen (b. 1851) of Chatton, Nthbld and is a coal miner at North Seaton colliery, living at North Seaton Low Quay, Nrthbld with his new daughter Emily (b. 1880 , North Seaton).
Son Joseph Cook is a batchelor coal miner at North Seaton colliery , living at North Seaton Low Quay, Nrthbld, with his aging widowed mother Eupehmia (now 64 years old).
Presumably, son Robert Cook has died or moved away because I cannot find a 23 year old Robert Cook in this region in the 1881 census.
Eventually, (date unknown) , Joseph Cook ( my great grandfather) marries Elizabeth ( Rutherford) Wheatley (b.1858/59) Cambois, Nrthbld and the Wheatley's are another story ( including the ferrymen of the Wansbeck at Cambois) on which I have some info and will follow up later!
What happened to the Cook's from 1881 through the 1900's ( or for that matter prior to 1800) are also other stories, except my grandfather is Josiah Wheatley Cook, a miner at North Seaton colliery who married Eliza Hannah Coggins and eventually lived and died in Newbiggin-by- sea. One other name crops up in my early reseach as a Wheatley nephew - Frederick Greenshields( b 1874 Essex London) whose mother was born in Newbiggin-by sea in 1809 and living in Newbiggin- by -sea in 1881. The tie in remains a mystery.
If any Rootschatters with Cook/Wheatley/Rutherford/Morris /Greenshields
roots in these parts of Northumberland can help or use this story or if I seem way off base in any part please let me know. I have my work cut out for me now to prove it!
Thanks for the help and reading!
Lumber-Jack
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Grant45
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Hello Lumberjack
I think the place you are looking for is Holliwell or Holywell which is a couple of miles west of Monkseaton .The birth place of Robert on the 61 census could be Tynemouth . Holliwell is part of Tynemouth for registration and census purposes
There is also a registration for Robert Cook for the 2nd Quarter of 1856 in Tynemouth which would make him fit the census age
Grant
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GRANT, Markinch Fife & St Thomas Ontario GILMOUR, Broughty Ferry, Angus & Anstruther Fife LATTO St Monance Fife STEWART, Bathgate West Lothian STEWART,St Monance & Kilrenny FLEMING, FORREST, Bathgate West Lothian BATHGATE ,HAIG -East Lothian STAINES Henham Essex-Edinburgh ARMSTRONG,Northumberland FEENEY,Lanarkshire Northumberland Co Durham DONNISON Northumberland, Co Durham Census Information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Lumber-Jack
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Thanks very much Grant,
That makes alot more sense and eliminates the fancy that the Cooks had to move to Linmouth to give birth to Robert!
It still leaves a problem that in the 1881 census James and Joseph are both born in Halliwell (Holywell) and in the 1861 they are both listed as born in Wylam. So I still have Wylam in the picture until I can get at the birth listings.
Thanks again, at 27 below 0 , Lumber-Jack
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Grant45
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Hello Again
You make Tyneside sound positively warm. Here are a couple of possibles for you.
James Cook born 2 Quarter 1852 Hexham Northumberland
Joseph Cook born 2 Quarter 1857 Tynemouth
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Thomas Cook death 3 Quarter 1858 Tynemouth
All the best
Grant
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GRANT, Markinch Fife & St Thomas Ontario GILMOUR, Broughty Ferry, Angus & Anstruther Fife LATTO St Monance Fife STEWART, Bathgate West Lothian STEWART,St Monance & Kilrenny FLEMING, FORREST, Bathgate West Lothian BATHGATE ,HAIG -East Lothian STAINES Henham Essex-Edinburgh ARMSTRONG,Northumberland FEENEY,Lanarkshire Northumberland Co Durham DONNISON Northumberland, Co Durham Census Information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Grant45
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Hello again
A little more for you
in 1871
Euphemia and Robert are still living in Monkseaton . Euphemia as Annuitant and Robert as a Railway Gate Keeper
Ref RG 10/5122 Folio 61 Page 12
James I think is in the Percy Ward in Tynemouth on the farm of a John Wilson age 20 unmarried Farm Servant birth Place Northumberland Monkseaton
Ref RG 10/5121 Folio 10 Page 13
Cant find Joseph around
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GRANT, Markinch Fife & St Thomas Ontario GILMOUR, Broughty Ferry, Angus & Anstruther Fife LATTO St Monance Fife STEWART, Bathgate West Lothian STEWART,St Monance & Kilrenny FLEMING, FORREST, Bathgate West Lothian BATHGATE ,HAIG -East Lothian STAINES Henham Essex-Edinburgh ARMSTRONG,Northumberland FEENEY,Lanarkshire Northumberland Co Durham DONNISON Northumberland, Co Durham Census Information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Lumber-Jack
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Thanks Grant,
I found a highly likely Robert Cook in the 1818 census ,married to Ellen ,as a coalscreener at North Seaton colliery. As they all ended up in North Seaton by 1818 ,including Euphemia, my guess is that Joseph went there as an "advance guard" before the 1871.
Would you be kind enough to run a check for him in that vicinity in the 1871?
Thanks very much, Lumber-Jack
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Grant45
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Hello again
I have 2 possible Joseph Cooks for you .The first living within a couple of miles of Monkseaton and Holywell
Northumberland Tynemouth Earsdon Hartley
RG 10/5129 Folio 53 Page 21
Brewery Property
Joseph Cook Lodger unmarr 15 Barrle Makers App Seaton Sluice Northumberland
No 2
Northumberland Castle Ward Ponteland Mason
RG 10/5137 Folio 103 Page 14
Joseph Cook Serv unmar 16 Farm Serv.Indoor Northumberland Wylam
Take your pick I would guess the first is more likely as its closer to yhe rest of the family
Grant
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GRANT, Markinch Fife & St Thomas Ontario GILMOUR, Broughty Ferry, Angus & Anstruther Fife LATTO St Monance Fife STEWART, Bathgate West Lothian STEWART,St Monance & Kilrenny FLEMING, FORREST, Bathgate West Lothian BATHGATE ,HAIG -East Lothian STAINES Henham Essex-Edinburgh ARMSTRONG,Northumberland FEENEY,Lanarkshire Northumberland Co Durham DONNISON Northumberland, Co Durham Census Information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Grant45
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Hi
I think I have found Robert Cook in 1881
Northumberland South Northumberland Holywell
20 Bates Cottages
Robert Cook Head Mar 25 Coal Miner Northumberland West Moor
Jane Wife Mar 25 Northumberland Morpeth
Isabell J Daur 4 Scholar Northumberland Morpeth
Ann Daur 2 Northumberland Morpeth
Robinson Son 3mnts Northumberland East Holywell
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GRANT, Markinch Fife & St Thomas Ontario GILMOUR, Broughty Ferry, Angus & Anstruther Fife LATTO St Monance Fife STEWART, Bathgate West Lothian STEWART,St Monance & Kilrenny FLEMING, FORREST, Bathgate West Lothian BATHGATE ,HAIG -East Lothian STAINES Henham Essex-Edinburgh ARMSTRONG,Northumberland FEENEY,Lanarkshire Northumberland Co Durham DONNISON Northumberland, Co Durham Census Information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Lumber-Jack
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Thanks Grant very much for these.
I will now have to take some time to review the births , dates, and get a few certificates to be sure that I am on the right track for the sons.
I have also got some great leads , contacts and information on the origins of Thomas and Euphemia and on the Wheatley connection.
I will likely be back with some specific questions when I have assessed all this.
I would still like to hear from some Cooks who might tie in directly.
At some stage I will try and rewrite my short story which will show how far off I was and how much RootsChatters like you helped me!
Best wishes Lumber-Jack
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