Sonia Gardener
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I am looking for Elizabeth Burley who in the Devon 1851 census states she was born in Grampound in 1801. I have no other information other than she married John Willcocks in Stoke Damerel in 1832
Any pointers much appreciated
Sonia
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Sonia Gardener
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Elizabeth Burley claims in the Plymouth Devon 1851 census to have been born 1801 in Grampound. Her second son was named Michael Burley Willcocks (Elizabeths husband was John Willcocks) so maybe Elizabeths father was Michael.
In the 1841 Cornwall census a Michael Burley is living at Trgony who was born 1804 in Grampound and he has his father Michael with him. Both are blacksmiths
As far as I can establish no Elizabeth Burley was baptised in Creed/Grampound. I have also tried several surrounding parishes.
I suspect I have reached the end of the road with this one but hoped by posting my message that someone might have been able to locate perhaps an early census or other resource that would pinpoint Elizabeth with parents.
Fingers crossed
Sonia
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Sonia Gardener
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Elizabeth was married in Plymouth 1832 so the PR for that marriage has no extra details. I got birthplace Grampound from the Devon 1851 census. The 1841 census for Cornwall gives the two Michael Burleys. It's just a wild guess that they may be Elizabeths father and brother because of the Grampound and name connection. However I have been unable to establish even brother Michaels baptism in Grampound. Frustrating or what!!
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1841 census Plymouth St. Andrews:
HO 207/10, folio 18
West Hoe Cottages
John Willcocks, 40, Lab
Elizabeth, 40
John, 8
Michael, 6
Emilyn/Evelyn, 17
Hannah, 4
All listed as b. in county.
Incidentally www.a2a.org.uk shows this:
14th April, 1833
Notice of publication of banns of Michael Burley, p. Cuby, and Kitty Burley, p. St. Andrew, Plymouth, at parish of St. Andrew, Plymouth. (IGI shows them married at Cuby)
There's a Michael Burley, chrs.
04 MAR 1804 Cuby With Tregony, Cornwall, England to Michael Burley and Ann. Also to this family, an Elizabeth chrs. 26 Dec 1799 in the same place, and a Nancy in 1802.
Cuby and Grampound are so close - Cuby borders Creed - it could be they lived in what was technically Grampound but were closer to the Cuby with Tregony parish church? Or baptised their children in Cuby because that was the family church even if they lived in Grampound?
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Sonia Gardener
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many thanks for your continued time on this problem. Unfortunately although the family you have found fit very nicely into the clues the Elizabeth bap for 26 Dec 1799 on the IGI also shows her death as 31 Aug 1801. So unless another Elizabeth is baptised after this then I am unable to say this is the family I am looking for. Sorry, you're trying so hard for me too.
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Hi Sonia
Don't be too hasty in disregarding what has been found. I would keep it on file.
Back then if a child died, the next one, obviously of the same sex, was often given the same name.
Also dates given are not always exact - children can be baptised immediately or even years down the track, births could have been recorded similarly.
Also be careful of what is on the IGI - it is not always accurate - the only way to be sure is to order in the film and see for yourself that it has been transcribed correctly or check the PR's for that particular parish. It might pay to either get them, or go and look through them.
Sometimes there can be bits of 'extra' information on the actual PR and if the family stayed in one place, you can pick up more siblings.
Cougar
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many thanks
- I'll follow that advice
Sonia
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Many thanks Daisy May - did you get this info from the parish records. I ask because on the IGI it shows the 1799 baptism and I thought I'd hit the jackpot but the IGI also records her death in 1801. I haven't been able to establish from the PRs if this was indeed the case or if another Elizabeth was born later to Michael and Ann
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many thanks Daisy - so do I have to accept that the death is accurate too
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Sonia Gardener
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I can only go by the IGI record for Elizabeth Burley baptised Dec 1799 which states on the same record her death. So it would be great if you could check this death for me. It would be a major find if the Elizabeth born to Michael and Ann was the one I am looking for. Fingers crossed
many thanks
Sonia
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