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caroline hammill
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Hi, can anybody please try and find these 2 children on the BVR records or the 1901 census.
On the 1891 census there is a
William Crocker c1888 South Tawton
Bessie Crocker c1890 South Tawton
They're living with their Grandparents James c1844 South Tawton & Elizabeth Crocker c1845, at South Tawton Village.
I'd like to know who their parents were.
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CAZ 
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DEVON : Gillard,Horn,Powlesland,Cooper,Crocker,Mallett,Branch
GLOUCESTERSHIRE : Hanks,Pratt,Bowen,Hall,Compton,Lawrence,Morris,Williams, Izard,Dancey,Derrett
WORCESTERSHIRE : James, Wheatcroft
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sheddyg
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Looking through the census` it looks as though this couple may have had at least 16 children of their own so I would suggest that the grandchildren were children of one of the older children as seen on the 1871 cesus:
CROCKER residing South Tawton Village
James 26 ag lab
Elizabeth 25
john 7 b South Tawton
James 4 - b. Sampford Courtenay
Susan 3 - b. " "
George 2 b. South Tawton
Mary 9 mnth b." "
hope this helps
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caroline hammill
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Hi Sheddyg........thats the problem....James & Elizabeth had 21 kids in total !!!!!!!!! 
So as we have'nt found ALL of the 21, 1 or 2 short, its a bit of a problem trying to find who William & Bessie belonged to.
Out of all the Crocker offspring we've only managed to find 1 Marraige...Susan Crocker and Edwin Batten....and i found her on the 1901 census yesturday with 5 kids that were'nt her husbands !!!!! they all had her surname "Crocker" and were born before she married Edwin.
These Crockers are turning into a right nightmare... 
Thanx for looking
CAZ 
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DEVON : Gillard,Horn,Powlesland,Cooper,Crocker,Mallett,Branch
GLOUCESTERSHIRE : Hanks,Pratt,Bowen,Hall,Compton,Lawrence,Morris,Williams, Izard,Dancey,Derrett
WORCESTERSHIRE : James, Wheatcroft
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Arranroots
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There is a birth recorded in Okehampton for Bessie Courtenay CROCKER in Mar q 1890 (5b/ 393)
This seems to be a popular combination of first names, but it might be worth considering!
Probably the most likely Bessie CROCKER in 1901 is an 11 year old servant. V difficult to be sure and she may have a different surname if her mother was previsouly unmarried.
kind regards, Arranroots 
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK) |
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caroline hammill
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Hi and Thanx Arranroots, i think its going to be a case of finding birth ref numbers for them and ordering the certs next month.
Out of 21 children it would be hard to even guess who the parents for William and Bessie would be...especially as 1 of the female Crockers had 5 kids out of marraige....just about sums my family tree up really...Ha Ha Ha, most of the women had kids and the fathers were unknown.
CAZ
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DEVON : Gillard,Horn,Powlesland,Cooper,Crocker,Mallett,Branch
GLOUCESTERSHIRE : Hanks,Pratt,Bowen,Hall,Compton,Lawrence,Morris,Williams, Izard,Dancey,Derrett
WORCESTERSHIRE : James, Wheatcroft
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Arranroots
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Well we could try the methodical approach!
Which births do you have and which marriage (s??) or deaths and we can try to find them in 1901. Tell me which ones you already have & that will save time.
Let's have a go!
Arranroots
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK) |
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caroline hammill
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Hi again Arranroots,
Do you know if 1837.com gives the kids mothers name, its been a long time since i was on that site and i cant remember.
CAZ 
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DEVON : Gillard,Horn,Powlesland,Cooper,Crocker,Mallett,Branch
GLOUCESTERSHIRE : Hanks,Pratt,Bowen,Hall,Compton,Lawrence,Morris,Williams, Izard,Dancey,Derrett
WORCESTERSHIRE : James, Wheatcroft
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Only after 1911 I believe!
I found a "possible" for William - son of James & Elizabeth.
RG13/2126/111/15
CROCKER James J H M 37 - farmer own acct - Bow Devon
Elizabeth A W M - South Tawton
William J son 16 - farmer's son - ditto
Address: South Zeal ??, South Tawton, Devon
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK) |
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I think you said you have Susan? Can't find John
RG13/28/122/41
CROCKER George H M 30 - gen lab - Devon South Tawton
Ellen W M 32 - Oxfordshire Eynsham
(shared household, but no others from Devon or Oxfordshire)
Address: 13 Acklam Road, Kensington
This is not a perfect match, but is the only one with the correct birthplace.
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK) |
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caroline hammill
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Oh boy have you asked for it now !!!!!! LoL
The parents are :
James Crocker c1844 South Tawton, Occ Labourer
Elizabeth Gillard 12-8-1845 Newland, North Tawton
Kids are, ages and where living off census returns :
John Crocker c1864 South Tawton. 1871 census with parents at South Tawton Village, 1881 Servant at Addiscott, South Tawton
James Crocker c1867 Sampford Courtenay, 1871 living with parents at South Tawton Village, 1881 Servant at Higher Withecombe, Chagford.
Susan Crocker c1868 Sampford Courtenay,1871 with parents at South Tawton Village, 1881 Domestic Servant at Harepath, Drewsteignton, 1891 Servant in South Tawton, Married Edwin Batten 4-6-1900...on the 1901 census she's at Little Eadens? Hollacombe, on her own with 5 kids with her maiden name Crocker. Edwin is at Stanhops Stable.
George Crocker c1869 South Tawton, with parents on 1871 at South Tawton Village, 1881 Farm Servant at Nethescott.
Mary Crocker c1871 South Tawton, 1871 with parents at South Tawton Village, 1881 with parents at Horrowcombe Ford.
Edward Crocker c1872 South Tawton, 1881 with parents at Horrowcombe Ford, South Tawton.
William Crocker c1873 South Tawton, 1881 with parents at Horrowcombe ford, 1891 South tawton Village, 1901 The Village, South Tawton.
Samuel Crocker c1874/77 South Tawton, 1881 with parents at Horrowcombe ford, 1891 South Tawton Village.
Malina Crocker c1877 South Tawton died c1879
Ann Crocker c1878 South Tawton, 1881 with parents at Horrowcombe Ford
Elizabeth Crocker c1879 South Tawton, 1881 with parents at Horrowcombe Ford, 1891 South Tawton Village.
Caroline Crocker c1880 South Tawton, 1881 with parents at Horrowcombe Ford, 1891 South Tawton Village.
Matilda Crocker c1884 South Tawton, 1891 with parents at South Tawton Village, 1901 Servant in Holsworthy.
Albert Crocker c1885 South Tawton, 1891 with parents at South Tawton Village, 1901 The Village, South Tawton.
Thomas Crocker c1889 South Tawton, 1891 with parents at South Tawton Village.
Maud Crocker c1890 South Tawton, 1891 with parents at South Tawton Village, 1901 The Village, South Tawton.
Other possibles are :
Sidney Alfred Crocker c1882 died 1882
Florrie Crocker
Walter Crocker c1885 died 1885
Oliver Crocker
After each of the Crocker names i've put when and where i've found them, as you can see, i've not managed to find them all on all of the census returns, females possibly married, BUT we are having problems in finding marraiges for them all....apart from Susan Crocker who married Edwin Batten.
Hope all the above made sense.............enjoy !!!!
CAZ....
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DEVON : Gillard,Horn,Powlesland,Cooper,Crocker,Mallett,Branch
GLOUCESTERSHIRE : Hanks,Pratt,Bowen,Hall,Compton,Lawrence,Morris,Williams, Izard,Dancey,Derrett
WORCESTERSHIRE : James, Wheatcroft
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Right!
I have mentally drawn a line under Samuel as being the youngest child likely to have had a child of his own in 1888 (although we can't be sure that William & Bessie share the same parents).
What did you think of the offerings above - do any of them look likely? Not sure about the BOW one as there is a COCKER family in Bow.
Possible marriage for Samuel in 1889 to Emily SPRAGUE or Mary Ann BATTEN, but haven't looked at census yet. NO! You said he is with parents later than that unmarried.
Just musing, but there is also a marriage for a Susan to ACKFORD or THORNE in 1884 - i wonder if she changed her name several times?
See you in a week or so LOL 
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK) |
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caroline hammill
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Hi Arranroots
The birth of Bessie Crocker in 1890 looks like a possible, i'll order that cert next month.
Not sure about William on the 1901 census as the father says born Bow, Devon....all crocker kids were born South tawton or Sampford Courtenay.
Not sure about the George Crocker you found on the 1901 census, his place of birth is the same and the birth year is only a year off.....so it could well be him.
It would have helped if on the census returns the Crocker kids that were with their parents had Married next to them....but as not 1 of them did it does'nt help narrow down the search for William & Bessie's parents...and there's no saying that they are brother & sister....i was just hoping and that they would both be found together with parents on the 1901 census.....excuse me whilst i fall off my chair laughing !!! as if it was going to be that easy... 
CAZ
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DEVON : Gillard,Horn,Powlesland,Cooper,Crocker,Mallett,Branch
GLOUCESTERSHIRE : Hanks,Pratt,Bowen,Hall,Compton,Lawrence,Morris,Williams, Izard,Dancey,Derrett
WORCESTERSHIRE : James, Wheatcroft
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You are right about the Bow birth - this chap is married with in-laws HOOPER in 1891 and their William is with them. The only thing is that he now says he was born South Tawton, so who knows - it could be your man.
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK) |
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Hi again, Susan Crocker has kept her surname "Crocker" throughout census returns and always stated unmarried, up until she wed Edwin Batten in 1900, the kids she had before marrying him are :
Mabel Crocker c1892 Okehampton
James Crocker c1894 Hollacombe
Maud Crocker c1896 Holsworthy
Hilda Mary Crocker c1897 Bridgerule
Rosina Crocker c1900 Pyworthy
Not unless she did marry before Edwin, got divorced and went back to Maiden name Crocker
CAZ
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DEVON : Gillard,Horn,Powlesland,Cooper,Crocker,Mallett,Branch
GLOUCESTERSHIRE : Hanks,Pratt,Bowen,Hall,Compton,Lawrence,Morris,Williams, Izard,Dancey,Derrett
WORCESTERSHIRE : James, Wheatcroft
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Modified my comment about James above.
I have seen women who are in service state that they are unmarried and "park" their children with a relative, but they do usually change their names. The births of Susan's children do not preclude her having had William and Bessie earlier (i.e. they are not born within 9 months of any of the others).
Shall we dig her up and ask her??
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