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CaioResearcher
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Hello,
Please can someone help. I am trying to trace a Thomas Davies, father David Davies. I give details below and was hoping that maybe they were on the 1841 Census.
Forgive me if I have the parishes/places wrong, I'm finding it all a bit daunting at times (and I'm half Welsh!) shame on me!
Thank you.
I know Thomas DAVIES was married 2nd June, 1843, shepherd, Bronhelem, father David Davies, labourer. I don't know his mother, hence the need to check 1841.
Thomas married a Jane Evans, full age, spinster, drover's daughter, Pontrhydfendigaid, father Evan Evans, drover. I believe Jane was from the parish of Caron Uwch Clawdd, local church Strata Florida. However, Thomas (whom I'm after) I believe was born c.1819 and died 23 Sept 1900 in the parish of Llanddewi Abergwesyn, Brecon. Is this Tregaron? Any help on tracing back Thomas Davies would be much appreciated.
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davierj
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Hi,
It may be possible to find Jane Evans with the information you have by checking Pontrhydfendygaid.
Thomas Davies may be more of a problem. Bronhelem may be in Llanddewi Brefi, close to Tregaron. Unfortunately Llanddewi Abergwesyn is, as you rightly said, in Breconshire.
With the relatively common names and the fact that the 1841 is not indexed, I think I'll need a bit of luck  but will give it a go.
Cheers Dave
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Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukResearch: Clements, Jenkins, Jones, Williams, Davies, Renfrey in Cardiganshire. Trow, Jones, Clayton in Montgomeryshire. Renfrey, Datsun, May, Stephens in Cornwall Foster, Rogers in Liverpool Milliner, Fry, in Gloucestershire Mawby, Popple in Rutland Kent, Fry, Robinson, Nott, Griffiths in Somerset Willis in Oxfordshire Fishlock, Snell, Fry, Brown in Wiltshire |
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CaioResearcher
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Hi Dave,
Thanks for the reply. I'm not too bothered about Jane as I have some details on her. Thomas is the problem. Look forward to receive any details you might get.
Thanks again.
Regards
Helen
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davierj
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Hi Helen, I assumed Bronhelem was in Llanddewi Brefi and looked there. I could not find a Davies or Evans family of the right ages/occupations. Further I could not find an appropriate Evans family in Strata Florida.
I checked Tregaron and found the following which MAY fit.
HO107/1376/5, Tregaron District, Tre Cefel township, Enum. Dist. 4, page 13. Address Trebrysg. All surnames Davies, all born in county............
David, 60, Farmer
Elisabeth, 55
Thomas, 2? (the only one with indistinct age)
Jinkin, 23
Elisabeth, 20
Martha, 12
Hendry, 13
Margaret, 11
James, 4
Thomas's age looked like it could have been 22,23 or 27. Please let me know if you have any more info as to where they may have been living as the 1841 is not indexed.
Cheers Dave
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Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukResearch: Clements, Jenkins, Jones, Williams, Davies, Renfrey in Cardiganshire. Trow, Jones, Clayton in Montgomeryshire. Renfrey, Datsun, May, Stephens in Cornwall Foster, Rogers in Liverpool Milliner, Fry, in Gloucestershire Mawby, Popple in Rutland Kent, Fry, Robinson, Nott, Griffiths in Somerset Willis in Oxfordshire Fishlock, Snell, Fry, Brown in Wiltshire |
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CaioResearcher
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Hi Dave,
Thanks very much for your help. I will have a look at my files and see if it fits. Will let you know.
Many thanks
Helen
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CaioResearcher
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Hi Dave,
Firstly, I am very grateful to you for your patience and kindness in helping.
I've had a chance to go through the files:- I believe Thomas would've had been about 22 so the info. you gave, I feel is highly possibly correct and maybe the family I'm after.
Bronhelem, which was mentioned on Thomas's marriage certificate, I have found was a place, more likely a farm, or small holding. I have found him on Census, 1851 to 1881 and in all but one (1871) they say born Llanddewibrefi, in 1871 it states born Dothie Camddwr. The marriage took place in parish church in Strata Florida.. Thomas cannot be found in any parishes surrounding Llanddewibrefi for his birth.
So I think what you have given me may be correct. I'd appreciate it if you can assist in confirmation of areas. It states he died Llandewi Abergwesyn - this is in Breconshire?? The details you give are Tre Cefel, Tregaron. From current maps, it appears that these are all very close by. (but I can't find Tre Cefel). As I cannot find a baptism in Llanddewibrefi at all, and he also put down Dothie Camddwr - is this in or near Tregaron District? Did the areas change in 1841 or other date? do you know? I'm just not sure which archives area to contact to try and get a birth certificate? Thanks again for all your help.
Regards
Helen
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davierj
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Hi Helen
It's all very confusing and I'm from Cardiganshire 
Tre Cefel was a township in the parish of Tregaron about 1/2 mile SW of Tregaron on the road to Lampeter. In 1833 about 125 inhabitants.
Dothie Camddwr was a township in the parish of Llanddewi Brefi 12 miles NE by E of Lampeter. In 1833 about 132 people.
They probably don't exist today and could have been absorbed into the larger towns.
Llanddewi Abergwesyn is in Breconshire and unlikely to have been another one in Trgaron area (Abergwesyn means mouth of the river Gwesyn).
You could try to get a certificate by first contacting Cardiganshire Central Register Office to confirm the correct District. Contactable at
21 High Street, Lampeter, SA48 7BC or Tel 01570 422558. Hope the details are correct.
Best of luck
Cheers Dave
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Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukResearch: Clements, Jenkins, Jones, Williams, Davies, Renfrey in Cardiganshire. Trow, Jones, Clayton in Montgomeryshire. Renfrey, Datsun, May, Stephens in Cornwall Foster, Rogers in Liverpool Milliner, Fry, in Gloucestershire Mawby, Popple in Rutland Kent, Fry, Robinson, Nott, Griffiths in Somerset Willis in Oxfordshire Fishlock, Snell, Fry, Brown in Wiltshire |
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brawd houdini
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Hello CaioResearcher,
Just came across your request so this might be a bit late.However this might help.
Llanddewi Abergwesyn is the Parish where the village of Abergwesyn is situated.It is a neighboring Parish to Tregaron and they are connected by a mountain road.
Both Doethie and Camddwr are streams which start in the mountains between Llanddewi Brefi and Llanddewi Abergwesyn[again these are neighboring parishes].
Trecefel is also the name of a farm south of Tregaron ,near Llanio.It is known locally as the erstwhile home of the 'Welsh Swagman'.
Let me know if this helps or if you require further info.
Regards,brawd houdini
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Evans-Pencarreg,Llanybyther,Cwrtnewydd[Llanwennog]Cwmann,Merthyr,Llanwinnio,Bedwellty,London,Canada,Scotland and more.
Griffiths-
Cwrtnewydd,Llanfihangel ystrad,Nantcwnlle,Bwlchllan,Penuwch and more.
Davies-
Pencarreg,Cwmann,Llanybydder,Cribyn,Llanfihangel ystrad.
Also Jones in Winnipeg,Canada and Llangeitho,Williams and Lloyd in Tregaron,Llanfihangel ystrad,Cribyn,Gorsgoch,Cardigan
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CaioResearcher
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Houndi,
Thanks for reply, albeit I'm late! Can you tell me more about this TreCef Farm and Swagman - weren't Davies??
I'm trying to figure out where my ancestor Thomas Davies might have been born and getting terribly confused with the whole area.
Regards
Helen
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brawd houdini
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Hello Helen,
2 things might help to clarify what you are looking for-Ordnance Survey map 146[Lampeter and Llandovery].Trecefel is clearly marked south of Tregaron,
just follow the old railway line.You could also look on the internet for free Parish maps for Cardiganshire and also Brecon shire.If I remember correctly the Cardiganshire Parish map is available from the Dyfed family history society.
Either way just Google Cardiganshire Parish map.
Trecefel farm was bought in July,1848 by Joseph Jenkins[also known as the
Welsh Swagman].There is an excellent book on his life by Bethan Phillips called
Pity the Swagman.
Other avenues to follow might be the National Library of Wales in Aberystwyth,also Ceredigion[Cardiganshire] Record office,likeways Breconshire Record office.
Hope this helps,
brawd houdini
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Evans-Pencarreg,Llanybyther,Cwrtnewydd[Llanwennog]Cwmann,Merthyr,Llanwinnio,Bedwellty,London,Canada,Scotland and more.
Griffiths-
Cwrtnewydd,Llanfihangel ystrad,Nantcwnlle,Bwlchllan,Penuwch and more.
Davies-
Pencarreg,Cwmann,Llanybydder,Cribyn,Llanfihangel ystrad.
Also Jones in Winnipeg,Canada and Llangeitho,Williams and Lloyd in Tregaron,Llanfihangel ystrad,Cribyn,Gorsgoch,Cardigan
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