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Topic: Vine Taylor b.c. 1852 in Ely. *COMPLETED* (Read 307 times)
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AndrewMartin
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Hello,
I'm looking for information on my Gt Gt Gt Grandmother, born as Vine Taylor in about 1852. At her marriage in 1870 at St. Mary's Church, Ely, she is noted as the daughter of William Taylor, a labourer. She as well as her groom (George Cross) are both noted as living on Cambridge Road, Ely.
I've got plenty of information on the Cross family before and after this date but what i lack is information on Vine. With such an unusual name, she must have really stood out in records. The name was repeated for her Grand-daughter but that was it.
Did Vine Taylor have siblings?
Who was Vine's mother and father?
Where was Vine born?
The 1871/81 census states that it was Ely but as yet, this elludes me.
Of course, she was born AFTER the 1851 census and the 1861 census for Ely was destroyed... sadly this would really have given me the perfect snapshot of the Taylor family with Vine aged about 9. Her baptism holds the key.
I'd rather come up with some more information before asking the Ely registrar to get searching.
Any help is most appreciated.
kind regards
Andrew Martin 
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Andrew Martin Cambridge, England. www.familytreeuk.co.ukResearching: BABBIDGE, BAILEY, BARBER, BARKER, BISHOP, BOULTER, BOWERS, BURNELL, COOPER, CROSS, DEWEY, DEWSBURY, FREEMAN, GAWTHROP, GIDDINGS, GIGNER, GILBERT, GILLIONS, GOLTRIP, GOTHARD, HAWKINS, JEFFERY, LEVITT, MARTIN, MODEN, NEWMAN, NEWELL, TAYLOR, TINGEY, WATERS, WHITEHEAD, YARROW. |
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Were there any Taylor witnesses at the marriage?
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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The witnesses at Vine and George's wedding in 1870 were:
William Newell and Eliza Cross - both of whom are members of the CROSS family tree.
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Andrew Martin Cambridge, England. www.familytreeuk.co.ukResearching: BABBIDGE, BAILEY, BARBER, BARKER, BISHOP, BOULTER, BOWERS, BURNELL, COOPER, CROSS, DEWEY, DEWSBURY, FREEMAN, GAWTHROP, GIDDINGS, GIGNER, GILBERT, GILLIONS, GOLTRIP, GOTHARD, HAWKINS, JEFFERY, LEVITT, MARTIN, MODEN, NEWMAN, NEWELL, TAYLOR, TINGEY, WATERS, WHITEHEAD, YARROW. |
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hello, just a gentle nudge.. i've failed to get any further with this one : /
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Andrew Martin Cambridge, England. www.familytreeuk.co.ukResearching: BABBIDGE, BAILEY, BARBER, BARKER, BISHOP, BOULTER, BOWERS, BURNELL, COOPER, CROSS, DEWEY, DEWSBURY, FREEMAN, GAWTHROP, GIDDINGS, GIGNER, GILBERT, GILLIONS, GOLTRIP, GOTHARD, HAWKINS, JEFFERY, LEVITT, MARTIN, MODEN, NEWMAN, NEWELL, TAYLOR, TINGEY, WATERS, WHITEHEAD, YARROW. |
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Have you gone through the various Ely parish registers looking for a baptism? I can't see anything on FreeBMD, nor a local Taylor - Vine marriage
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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hello,
ive been through the Ely St Mary's registers (ive got them on CDrom) and there's no sign of her there. i've had a quick look at the Ely Holy Trinity records and couldn't see her there but (from memory) im not sure whether i was able to have a proper look for her.
it's just unfortunate that the Ely 1861 census was destroyed as that would have pitched her with her parents and siblings in the family nest.
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Andrew Martin Cambridge, England. www.familytreeuk.co.ukResearching: BABBIDGE, BAILEY, BARBER, BARKER, BISHOP, BOULTER, BOWERS, BURNELL, COOPER, CROSS, DEWEY, DEWSBURY, FREEMAN, GAWTHROP, GIDDINGS, GIGNER, GILBERT, GILLIONS, GOLTRIP, GOTHARD, HAWKINS, JEFFERY, LEVITT, MARTIN, MODEN, NEWMAN, NEWELL, TAYLOR, TINGEY, WATERS, WHITEHEAD, YARROW. |
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There was only one William Taylor living in Ely in the 1851 census of an age to be having children. William 33 born Ely and his wife Sarah 23 b Watham Suffolk already had three children aged 5, 3 and 1.
It might be a wild goose chase but her father's name William is about the only lead you've got.
A bit of totally off the wall thinking - in 1871 she's enumerated as either Nina or Vina - it definitely ends with an "a". In Dec 1852 in Ely there's the birth of Sabina Taylor - could the name have become corrupted - Bina - Vina - Vine??? And I can't find any subsequent reference to Sabina.
David
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There was only one William Taylor living in Ely in the 1851 census of an age to be having children. William 33 born Ely and his wife Sarah 23 b Watham Suffolk already had three children aged 5, 3 and 1.
It might be a wild goose chase but her father's name William is about the only lead you've got.
Hi David.
That's unfortunately so. I'll have a look into the Wm and Sarah Taylor family and see if i can find anything more on them.
A bit of totally off the wall thinking - in 1871 she's enumerated as either Nina or Vina - it definitely ends with an "a". In Dec 1852 in Ely there's the birth of Sabina Taylor - could the name have become corrupted - Bina - Vina - Vine??? And I can't find any subsequent reference to Sabina.
That's a good point. Using the wonderful CAMDEX facility, i've seen the Sabina S. Taylor, born in 1852, Ely. 'Vine' is an unusual first name - the kind of name that would have made me think that it was a mother/grandmother's maiden name... but if it's just a nickname, that makes it even more of a challenge! Nina, Vina, Vine and Sabina - all likely candidates but as Sabina Taylor is the only one showing up in records in Ely until my Vine Taylor marries in 1870, it looks like the best bet.
I wonder if Banns are available for them in 1870.. although in that year she appears as 'Vine' on my gt gt grandmother's birth certificate.
I guess i should look for a Sabina death/burial and or marriage. If i cant find either then i might just have the answer.
Thanks, once again David, for your help in finding my obscurely named ancestors!
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Andrew Martin Cambridge, England. www.familytreeuk.co.ukResearching: BABBIDGE, BAILEY, BARBER, BARKER, BISHOP, BOULTER, BOWERS, BURNELL, COOPER, CROSS, DEWEY, DEWSBURY, FREEMAN, GAWTHROP, GIDDINGS, GIGNER, GILBERT, GILLIONS, GOLTRIP, GOTHARD, HAWKINS, JEFFERY, LEVITT, MARTIN, MODEN, NEWMAN, NEWELL, TAYLOR, TINGEY, WATERS, WHITEHEAD, YARROW. |
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Hi
I know that the baptism date is way out but on familyhistoryonline it gives at Holy Trinity, Ely Vine Taylor baptised 10/1/1864 no birth date or fathers name - mother Susan Taylor of Cutters Yard.
I haven't looked for this Vine Taylor, there were only 3 references on ffhs web site for a Vine Taylor in Cambridgeshire the other two being the wedding and banns in 1870.
Rosie
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Hi
I know that the baptism date is way out but on familyhistoryonline it gives at Holy Trinity, Ely Vine Taylor baptised 10/1/1864 no birth date or fathers name - mother Susan Taylor of Cutters Yard.
I haven't looked for this Vine Taylor, there were only 3 references on ffhs web site for a Vine Taylor in Cambridgeshire the other two being the wedding and banns in 1870.
Rosie
hi Rosie,
Thanks for this info. I'll have a look at the 1864 baptism, although Vine does give her father as 'William' on her marriage certificate. Of course, she could have been talking porkies to cover up an illegitimacy, if that was the case. There is also no reason why she wouldnt have been baptised at an older age - one of my other ancestors was 12 before she was baptised.
As for those banns and the wedding in 1870 - those are my Vine Taylor's wedding and banns, so there's no suprises there.
thanks for sharing though
Andrew
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Hi Andrew
She is certainly elusive. I assume the banns info wouldn't help as they are both giving Cambridge Road, Ely as an address. Do you have access to it or would you like me to look.?
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Hi Andrew
She is certainly elusive. I assume the banns info wouldn't help as they are both giving Cambridge Road, Ely as an address. Do you have access to it or would you like me to look.?
Rosie
Hi Rosie,
No, i think i'm fine thanks - I've got their marriage certificate and it gives their address as Cambridge Road - so unless you've got it right in front of you, don't worry about it.
thanks for your help
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A bit of totally off the wall thinking - in 1871 she's enumerated as either Nina or Vina - it definitely ends with an "a". In Dec 1852 in Ely there's the birth of Sabina Taylor - could the name have become corrupted - Bina - Vina - Vine??? And I can't find any subsequent reference to Sabina.
David
A very wise suggestion. Thank you David - i believe that I have solved the puzzle.
I purchased the birth certificate, courtesy of the lovely CAMDEX online system and received a certificate soon after for Sabina Steadman Taylor, born 18/11/1852 in Bull Lane, Ely. Her mother is given as Susan Taylor.
Susan is a name that my 'Vine' gave her second daughter and the name was passed to my Gt Grandmother.
To dig a bit further, I looked for a Steadman/Taylor marriage - seeing as it appeared that Susan was potentially naming the father in the baby's name... and found that on 4th February 1856, Susan Taylor married William Steadman.
It might be a wild goose chase but her father's name William is about the only lead you've got.
Very true! Whilst my 'Vine Taylor' gives a name of William as her father on her 1870 marriage certificate... there is some truth in this. If my 'Vine' was indeed this 'Sabina' - her father would have been called William... just the wrong surname.
Still wanting more evidence, I decided to dig around a bit more, turning up a Vine Taylor baptism in 1864 (12yrs after Sabina's birth) and I was able to find more about Susan's Taylor family, hoping to find a reference to 'Vine' or something very similar like a maiden name. I found nothing.
... I then looked at William Steadman's family and found that he was baptised as William Crow Steadman in 1831. Looking through his siblings i found 'Vinecrow Steadman' born and buried in 1836+7. Pretty much convinced, the last piece of evidence was that at William Steadman's parents' wedding in 1829, is the witness - Vine Steadman.
... skipping forward a bit, i also found Vine ("Sabina") in 1901 - as the widowed Mrs Cross - Landlord of the now demolished 'Eagle and Lamb' pub on Cambridge Road, Ely... with her daughter and grandchildren (including my gt grandmother).
So... after somewhat of an interesting rummage around in CFHS cdroms, 1901 census cds and with the help of you guys and gals, I believe I've cracked it.
Thank you everso much - have an extra creme egg on me!
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