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Topic: Old Cross Inn, Ammanford-1841c/History (Read 1164 times)
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timaussie
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In my research I have uncovered that my ancestors were the publicans of the Old Cross Inn at Ammonford (formally Cross Inn Village) parish Llandebie for some time and lived onsite.
The following recorded them as publican of the Inn:
John CLEMENT - 1861C & 1871C (died 1873, 82)
Hannah CLEMENT, his wife - 1881C (died 1888, 87)
Anne JONES, their widowed daughter - 1891C & 1901C (died1919, 91)
William MORRIS, their son-in law (wife Sarah clement) -commercial directories 1910 & 1914. They died 1944 and 1925 respectively.
So I am interested in the following:
1. Check the 1841c for who as publican and living at Old Cross Inn (OCI). The Clements were found elsewhere at this time so maybe inherited from a related family.
2. Does anyone have any history or old photos of the OCI around the times mentioned.
3. If someone living in Ammanford could take digital photo of the inn as it is now and send to me.
4. Is there any directories or publican licence records that could confirm when OCI was in my ancestors ownership outside the census period.
A big wish list but any additional knowledge would be gratefull.
Thanks,Tim
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LUCAS-Hampshire, GREENER-Hampshire/Berkshire, COOPER-Middlesex, TAYLOR-Surrey, MORGAN-Llanedy, CLEMENT-Landilotalybont & Llandebie, JONES-Llandebie, LEWIS-Llanegwed-Carm/Morriston-Glam/Cwmavon-Glam, HODGSON-Staffordshire
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davidpinkney
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Margaret Richardson (nee Robinson)
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I have looked through various indexes for Cross Inn in Ammanford (Cross Inn) and i think this is it in 1851
It is the first dwelling Cross Inn (schedule number 1) of HO107/2471 page 1 (folio number not shown)
William Howells - head - Inn Keeper - 44 - Llandilo, Carms
Ann Howells - wife - 44 - Llandybie, Carms
Gweny Ann Morgans - Niece - 4 - Llandybie, Carms
There were 5 servants and 2 lodgers
Will send you a photo at weekend, send me your email on pm
David
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annlwall
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Dear Tim
John and Hannah Clements were my 3XG grandparents. I plan to visit the Cross Inn area in January 2009. So please share any further information you have.
Ann
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timaussie
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Posts: 125
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Hi Ann,
I hope we can share information. I have sent you a PM with my email address. Here is some information which I hope confirms the same Clements.
John Clement
c:12Feb1792, St Teilo, LlandelioTalybont parish Glam
d:3Mar1873(82), Ammanford, Carms
Married: 18Jan1825, Llanedy parish, Carms
Hannah Morgan
c: Unknown
d: 15Mar1888(87), Ammanford, Carms
They had three children(that I know):
John b:abt1825
Ann b: abt1828 - I am a descendant from her
Edward b: abt 1831
Who do you descend from? Look forward to hearing from you.
Tim
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LUCAS-Hampshire, GREENER-Hampshire/Berkshire, COOPER-Middlesex, TAYLOR-Surrey, MORGAN-Llanedy, CLEMENT-Landilotalybont & Llandebie, JONES-Llandebie, LEWIS-Llanegwed-Carm/Morriston-Glam/Cwmavon-Glam, HODGSON-Staffordshire
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73cph
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Terry Norman has a good site on Ammanford with many pictures.
www.terrynorm.ic24.net or just put in Ammanford.
The history section at the end gives the fate of the 4 inns that formed the Cross Inn cross roads.
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HiawathaMorgan
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Tim,
My 4th Great Grandfather, William Morgan (1756-1835), and his wife Sarah Thomas(?) (1758-1858) had seven children. The third was named Hannah, and she married someone named Clements. I nothing else about him, or their children. These Morgans lived at Tyllwyd, in Llanedy Parish. Their grandson Lewis and his family came to the U.S. in 1872. This is my first post, so I can't send you a PM, but I'd like to share information about the Morgans and the Clements.
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Wales: Carmarthenshire, Pembrokeshire
Morgan, Rees, James, Parry, Thomas, others
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HiawathaMorgan
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This may be of interest...it's a hand-drawn map of the area south of Ammanford. It Includes "Cross Inn" and part of Llanedy Parish. It was drawn by a Parry who married into the William & Sarah Morgan family of Llanedy Parish. (Their daughter Hannah married a Clement.)
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Wales: Carmarthenshire, Pembrokeshire
Morgan, Rees, James, Parry, Thomas, others
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lisbeths
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Hi
I came across this post today. My family lived in Ammanford from the mid 1800's and some of the family still live there. I suppose by now thatsomeone has told you that there were 2 Cross Inns on the Square in Ammanford one at the corner of Wind Street and College Street and the other at the corner of Quay Street and High Street. I have some old pictures dating back to about 1900 of the Square at Ammanford showing the Cross Inn at the corner of Wind Street and Colege Street and the row of shops leading up to the Arcade in College Street. This Cross Inn was knocked down in the 1960's and replaced by a modern monstrosity called The Bard. The other Cross Inn still existed in the 1990's when I left Ammanford and I believe it was still there when I last visited in 2005. Both buildings were quite old. I know one was always refered to as the Old Cross by my grandmother but I'm not sure which. I never went into Public Houses in Ammanford as my family were Chapel and Teetotal officially but I know some of my Uncles used to visit the back doors in the 1950's as I was occasionally asked to keep watch for any Ladies of the Chapel for some extra pocket money. A lot of the descendants of old Ammanford families still live there some in their 80's who would be able to tell you far more about the town and local families. I think of the Watkin- Rees and Rhys Emmanuel, Tarrs, Harries, Evans and Davies families in particular,most of whom were traders in the town during the 20th Century. If you would like a copy of the photo let me know.
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StephEv
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Hi All,
Sadly according to the South Wales Guardian the Old Cross Inn, Ammanford, closed its doors for the last time last Monday. 
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Evans, Davies,Moore, Repingtion, Herbert, Cousins,Williams
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gw-r
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I have today signed on rootschat.com and was intrigued by the sketch in from HaiawathaMorgan dated 21 March 09. I originally hailed from Ammanford (Cross Inn) and my parents lived at 9/11 The Square. I would surmise that the original was sketched by John Owen Parry, an Ammanford Architect. At No 15 on the sketch he shows my grandfather's, Edward Rees' house (Bodlondeb) and at No 9 he shows Mountain Gate Inn where my great grandfather, David Watkins was the Innkeeper. John Owen Parry was also related to the Watkins.
The posting of StephEv of 1 December 07 was of interest as Elizabeth Emanuel, my great grandmother, was responsible for developing the retail buildings (through her son-in-law, Joseph Phillips) on the opposite of the Evan Evans' development on Ammanford Square. These buildings (including the original Lloyds Bank buildings) faced the "Cross Inn" on the Wind Street side and "Old Cross" on the Quay Street side. (I believe StephEv is the son of Gordon, a contemporare of mine who practised as a photographer in Malta).
I was also interested in the posting of lizbeths, dated 2 June 09 in which she mentions the old families of Ammanford. The Watkin-Rees's and Emmanuels are part of my ancestry. I still have a sister and brother residing in the town.
I possess quite a few photographs of Ammanford circa 1910 - 1914.
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