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rileyaceofspades
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Hi everyone,
I'd be happy to look for birth's, but under which name? (baptism's are a non-starter in NZ, strictly pragmatic us colonials  )
Anyway, to start the ball rolling, I've written a draft letter explaining the problem for The NZ Genealogist journal. Amazing things can happen with enquiries in this national journal which goes to 20,000 members. Would you all care to check it and tell me if I've got all my ducks in a row.
Hannah WALLOP b. c’1838 Castle Combe WIL ENG. Parents Samuel WALLOP occ. tailor, and Susannah ASHLEY mar. 1841 Bath SOM ENG. Married William BRIELY/BREYLEY/BRELEY b. c’1838, Chippenham WIL 1860. His parents John BRELEY occ. police officer b. DEV b. c’1803, and Catherine. In 1861 Census William and Hannah BRIELY were school master & mistress at Brightling SSX ENG. The couple not found in ENG after 1861 and presumed to have emigrated to NZ as the Village Museum at Castle Combe WIL was given a sampler found in NZ on a rubbish tip, town not known, stitched by Hannah WALLOP as a child.
Looking for information/descendants.
I may have Susannah's surname wrong. Should it be BROOM?
In the event the Village Museum at Castle Combe respond with more information I'll wait before sending it. Deadline for publication is 20 December. And would the Village Museum care to have their contact details included?
Regards, riley
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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - Staffordshire ENG
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
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bwgan ceredig
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Sorry - don't get excited - can't add anything - I wish!! 
But I can't bear to miss out on this story - I know I could click notify, but I might miss it.   
Ta
Julie 
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Lloydy
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Sorry - don't get excited - can't add anything - I wish!! But I can't bear to miss out on this story - I know I could click notify, but I might miss it. Ta Julie
I've done exactly the same as you Julie - this thread is great
Jan
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Bennett, Challinor/Challenor, Mills, Evans, Lewis, Owen, Owens, Trow, James, Ashton, Betton/Beaton, Breese, Breeze, Crisp, Davies, Elias, Hudson, Hughes, Jenkins, Turner, Richards, Gethin, Tudor, Simon....plus tons of Jones!!! - All my Montgomeryshire lot!!
Challinor/Challenor - originally from Shocklach, Cheshire Betton - originally from Worthen, Shropshire
Census & BMD information Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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rileyaceofspades
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Hi all,
My genealogy guru has suggested some other ideas. Many emigrants from ENG in the 1860's went to AUS, with the most common ports being Sydney NSW or Melbourne VIC, and that only some years later did some move on to NZ. Hannah and William might have done this and either brought it over with them or died in AUS and a descendant brought the sampler to NZ when they elected to emigrate from AUS.
My guru also wondered if the sampler might have been brought to NZ within the last 10-20 years or so, possibly not even by a descendant, as samplers were/are sought-after items at auctions.
I checked the website Unassisted Immigration to Victoria http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23 and found a W BRIERLY and W BRIERLEY both aged 22 who arrived on the ship Success in Nov 1861. Right age, but are they the same individual? Port of departure and ship details not given.
NSW BDM is also on-line. http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
I think we should try to trace the person who discovered the sampler and pick their brains, if at all possible. The Village Museum didn't mention when it was discovered or submitted to them, and the dates could be years apart.
Regards, riley
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ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - Staffordshire ENG
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
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Jane Masri
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The museum has made contact...here's the email,
Thank you so much for your very interesting e-mail and, first of all,
apologies for the delay in replying; it took me a couple of days to read the
e-mail and since then I have forwarded to the other members of the museum
committee.
I have been watching with intested the developing thread on rootschat over
the last couple of days. It certainly does seem to be an interesting and
effective network, I know see there are requests for more information.
I still have the e-mail address of the person who donated the sampler, it
was June 2003 when she made contact hence I do not know if the e-mail is
still a valid way of getting in touch. I will send the web link to the
infomation to her and see if I can find out any more information about when
and where the sampler was discovered.
I don't believe we have any information further to that which we published
on the web initially, which you have exceeded already, as regards the family
history.
Thank you once again for the most interesting information, and I will be in
touch.
Best regards,
John Mackelden
Castle Combe Museum.
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janan
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Fingers crossed that her email is still valid
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Lloydy
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Wouldn't it be exciting if "she" contacted Rootschat
I can't wait
Jan (the other one )
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Bennett, Challinor/Challenor, Mills, Evans, Lewis, Owen, Owens, Trow, James, Ashton, Betton/Beaton, Breese, Breeze, Crisp, Davies, Elias, Hudson, Hughes, Jenkins, Turner, Richards, Gethin, Tudor, Simon....plus tons of Jones!!! - All my Montgomeryshire lot!!
Challinor/Challenor - originally from Shocklach, Cheshire Betton - originally from Worthen, Shropshire
Census & BMD information Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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CatOne
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Are you just looking for direct descendants of Hannah Wallop? Or just a link to the family today?
Just a thought, but if you follow her sibling Eliza Ann, I think she marries a John S? B Dowding, (they are living at School House, North Wraxall, Wilts in 1871 and 81) Looks like she died September quarter 1884 Chippenham, Wilts. Daughter Edith Hannah m. Alfred Stone 1893 (her brother Percy is living with them in 1901), Agnes m. William Startin/Starlin 1889. Son Samuel is on the 1901 census in Bristol.
Maybe if the descendants of these people can be traced, they may have info about Hannah/family that emigrated?.....
Havent really checked out Hannah's older sister Mary yet, but theres an interesting possible marriage to a John Broom Widcomb in 1868.
Hannah seems to be proving difficult to find so thought it may be easier to trace her siblings descendants?..... With luck they may have information about what happened to Hannah.
Good luck with the search for Hannah, interesting thread 
Regards,
Catherine
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janan
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Have just sent a message to someone on Genesreunited who has Samuel Wallop in his tree. Let's hope he knows something
Jan
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Jane Masri
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JAN - Helen (page 1 of this thread) had found that posting on GR & sent a message, but doing it twice can do no harm.
CATHERINE - you did what I was going to do, check out if any other family members had gone to NZ, taking the sampler with them. You've saved me a lot of work
This is thinking out loud......when Hannah did that sampler back in 1851, as it was such a good piece of work, I would imagine it was hung in the house for all to admire, becoming part of the fixtures & fittings, perhaps something she wouldn't have taken with her when she married, therefore it remained with her father & step-mother until they passed away & went to one of her siblings when they cleared the house. We know she had two sisters, but there is room for more as her father married first in 1834. Her older sister, Mary (from the 1851 census) was born about 1836, there could have been a child before that, that we don't know about 
Hannah was found in 1841 in Bath age 3 with her soon-to-be step mother but no sign of her father, Samuel
The plot thickens,
Jane
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