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Topic: Help needed! looking for Morris John William & Henry William - Islington? (Read 483 times)
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BIDDY18
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Help Needed !
I'm looking for John William Morris (DB abt1886) and Henry William Morris his father -
(Mercht Seaman) - Islington,Shoreditch,Bethnal Green area ?
I know he married in 1909 (spouse Ada Bagnell) at the Shoreditch register office.
How do I trace where John William and Henry lived before 1909 ( tried the census no luck).
Can not find John's birth cert (unless I buy b/cert around 1885, 1886,1887,1888 a small fortune).
Thanks,
Biddy
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casalguidi
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Hi Biddy
Welcome to Rootschat
Do you have any further information from the marriage certificate ie. John William MORRIS' occupation/address, marriage witnesses?
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BIDDY18
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YES
The address the bride & groom gave was 6 New North Rd
John William - Milkman
George Lee & Sara Lee
Hope you can help,
biddy
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janan
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Hi Biddy
Welcome to Rootschat  This young man looks promising - the family he is with are somewhat confusing 
Jan 
1891
13 Boston St, Shoreditch
Sarah Carey Head Widow ?50 London Hoxton
Ellena Jessie do Daur S 17 Dressmaker London Shoreditch
Margaret Do(think do applies to Carey) Lee Daur M 26 Head (added later) do do
Henry Morris 9 Scholar do do
John Morris 4 Scholar do do
George Lee 2 do do
No relationship given for any of the children
RG12/254 Pg6
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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janan
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And this one
Jan
1901
72 Haggerston Rd Shoreditch
William Jones Head S 30 Dairyman Employer Cardiganshire
Elizabeth do Sister 27 Cardiganshire
John Morris Serv S 16 Dairyman's Assistant Worker London
RG12/278 Pg8
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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BIDDY18
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Hi,
Thanks for a quick response! (it took me 3 days to find this info).
I found this on the census - so I ordered birth cert it came back, mother's name Margaret Carey and father name John Morris?
A marriage between a Margaret Carey and a Henry Morris may have took place in Bethnal Green ( waiting for the cert to arrive).
Biddy
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janan
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Fingers crossed Let us know
Cheers jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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BIDDY18
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Thanks! Jan
Is there any other way I could be searching for Henry William Morris?
Biddy
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janan
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Looks like Henry is dead by 1891 if that is the right family as Margaret seems to be married to an absent ? Lee - another seaman perhaps. You could have a search for Henry in 1881 putting vessels in parish box in case he is at sea.
Cheers jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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BIDDY18
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Searched for Henry in 1881 putting vessels in parish box in case he was at sea - No results
any other ideas
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janan
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Trouble is you don't know anything about him - when you get the marriage certificate if it is right one you will hopefully have father's name and occupation which might make it easier to find him and perhaps his age - finger's crossed it isn't just "of full age". Morris is rather a common name as well which doesn't help and from what you say about the birth certificate he could be known as John (or William I suppose ) 
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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BIDDY18
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HI,
This is my great Nan’s wedding cert that my mum gave me of John William Morris and Ada Bagnell the groom’s father name is Henry William Morris
Don’t know much about the Morris family - my grand dad never spoke about his family.
John William Morris Jnr db1913 Clerkenwell - mothers maiden name Bagnell
John William Morris Snr db 1886 married Ada Bagnell
Henry William Morris (Seaman) on marriage cert as father of the groom (John William Snr).
IS THER ANY OTHER WAY OF TRACING HENRY AND JOHN SNR BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT HAVE COME FROM EAST LONDON.
Biddy
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janan
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Can't think of any other way at present. The John in 1891 and 1901 is looking good. Think you need to wait for that marriage certificate- hopefully it won't be too long coming.
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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BIDDY18
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Thanks for your help!
biddy
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