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1851 census look up for Emma Louisa Gray (Bedford)
« on: Wednesday 01 February 06 23:08 GMT (UK) »

Seeking Emma Louisa Gray in the 1851 census born Bedford and should be at the age of 9 she was born 1842 bedford
not sure father could be George Gray and Eliza ?
Found her in 1861 census as a servant, and in 1864 married my Gt Gt Grandfather Benjamin Chapman Gibson, at Holy Trinity Bedford
With thanks Ian Markie
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Re: 1851 census look up for Emma Louisa Gray (Bedford)
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 01 February 06 23:22 GMT (UK) »

Hello Ian

Found Emma Gray age 9 born Bedford - no family though - she is a scholar amongst many others at the Harpur Hospital in Harpur Street Bedford

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Re: 1851 census look up for Emma Louisa Gray (Bedford)
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 01 February 06 23:29 GMT (UK) »

Thank you John.
Not quite what i was hoping for.
A little strange a Scholar at a Hospital !? Sad
will have to send away for birth cert now. as i cannot prove she is from the family i have found in 1861 cenus, although i have pretty good idea that i may of found in Biggleswade
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Gibson,Gt Doddington, Denton Northants
Allen, Northampton
Ashley,Kettering Burton Latimer, Kings Cliffe, Australia
Stubbs. Northants, Staffs
Greenough, Northampton
Lewin, Brownsell, Bucks.
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Re: 1851 census look up for Emma Louisa Gray (Bedford)
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 01 February 06 23:35 GMT (UK) »

Ian

The Harper Hospital is in the same vecinity as your 1861 Emma - St Paul Bedford.

There's also a George Gray born 1812 Eaton Bedford widower with daughter Eliza born 1840 Bedford in the 1851 census. Could be Dad & sister?!?!

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Re: 1851 census look up for Emma Louisa Gray (Bedford)
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 01 February 06 23:35 GMT (UK) »

Hi Ian

I did find the her birth on the IGI with parents George Gray & Eliza. Also found a Julia Gray born 20 APR 1844  & christened at same place as Emma, & with same parents. On 1851 census found Julia Gray b 1844 Bedford living at Alms Houses Dame Alice Street Bedford as grand-daughter of Mary White age 79 Widow born Shellington (or Shillington) Beds,

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Re: 1851 census look up for Emma Louisa Gray (Bedford)
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 01 February 06 23:43 GMT (UK) »

Hello Heidi & John
I think but not to sure that george may be from Meppershall. born 1814
as in the IGI there is a george gray born 1814 to John Gray and Mary which would be Julia gray`s grandaughter.
the only differance is that she has changed colour from gray to white !?
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Markie, Northants, London, Scotland, New Zealand
Gibson,Gt Doddington, Denton Northants
Allen, Northampton
Ashley,Kettering Burton Latimer, Kings Cliffe, Australia
Stubbs. Northants, Staffs
Greenough, Northampton
Lewin, Brownsell, Bucks.
Whitehead, London, Scotland.
Thompson, Mears Ashby Northants/ Tiney, Woodford
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Re: 1851 census look up for Emma Louisa Gray (Bedford)
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 02 February 06 00:08 GMT (UK) »

Hi Ian

George Gray married Eliza White June ¼ 1839 Bedford vol. 6 page 79.

Hope this is of interst.
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Re: 1851 census look up for Emma Louisa Gray (Bedford)
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 02 February 06 09:48 GMT (UK) »

Right that makes sense, so mary white must be eliza`s mother ! who is living at the alms house.
Well thank you, that has made a great start on tracing my  Gt Gt Grandmothers side of the family.
Regards Ian Markie
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Markie, Northants, London, Scotland, New Zealand
Gibson,Gt Doddington, Denton Northants
Allen, Northampton
Ashley,Kettering Burton Latimer, Kings Cliffe, Australia
Stubbs. Northants, Staffs
Greenough, Northampton
Lewin, Brownsell, Bucks.
Whitehead, London, Scotland.
Thompson, Mears Ashby Northants/ Tiney, Woodford
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Re: 1851 census look up for Emma Louisa Gray (Bedford)
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 02 February 06 12:37 GMT (UK) »

Ian

I found this via 'google'

http://www.oldtowns.co.uk/Bedfordshire/bedford.htm

Towards the end of the text it contains a description of the hospital, being a Harpur charity establishment for poor children. 

"Besides which, the girls in the hospital for poor children, another branch of the charity, are taught household duties, needle-work, reading and writing, by the mistress."

Regards John
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Re: 1851 census look up for Emma Louisa Gray (Bedford)
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 02 February 06 12:58 GMT (UK) »

Ian,  Back on 1851 census with Mary White & Julia Gray, is Elizabeth Woodcock Unmarried age 49 born Bedford St Paul; Lacemaker

cheers John
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Re: 1851 census look up for Emma Louisa Gray (Bedford)
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 02 February 06 13:04 GMT (UK) »

On 1851 census there is George Gray b 1815 Meppershall who has wife Louisa age 33 b Pulloxhill Beds, with family. However it seems this is not who you're after.
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Re: 1851 census look up for Emma Louisa Gray (Bedford)
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 02 February 06 13:40 GMT (UK) »

Birth info. for
Emma Louisa Gray b. 1842 June ¼ Bedford vol. 6 page 41

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Re: 1851 census look up for Emma Louisa Gray (Bedford)
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 02 February 06 17:06 GMT (UK) »

Thank you for all of that info, i gather that the gray family were very poor.
John i noticed that in 1861 census i looked up for george and looking at the original census it says George and Louisa, yet when you look at the household it says George and Eliza If you look at RG9 997 pg 16 on the 1837 website and then look at household it gives you 2 differant names.
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Markie, Northants, London, Scotland, New Zealand
Gibson,Gt Doddington, Denton Northants
Allen, Northampton
Ashley,Kettering Burton Latimer, Kings Cliffe, Australia
Stubbs. Northants, Staffs
Greenough, Northampton
Lewin, Brownsell, Bucks.
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Re: 1851 census look up for Emma Louisa Gray (Bedford)
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 02 February 06 17:43 GMT (UK) »

On 1861 RG9/997 page 16 census image - is the George Grey & wife Louisa living at Meppershall - as I found on the 1851.

But assuming the enumurator did not know how to spell Gray/Grey Huh

there's a George GREY age 49 / Widower born Bushmead Beds living at 61 Allhallows Lane Bedford - just round corner to Harpur Street & Dame Alice Street. He is a Tailor & Clothier.

Need to find out if wife Eliza died between 1844 & 1851 ?

Also someone to do the 1841 census lookup for George & Eliza.

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Re: 1851 census look up for Emma Louisa Gray (Bedford)
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 02 February 06 20:07 GMT (UK) »

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1851 St Paul's Bedford
George Gray born Eaton Socon, Bushmead, Bedford 1812 - Draper
Eliza Gray Daughter born Bedford 1840

1861 St Paul's Bedford
George Gray born Eaton Socon, Bushmead, Bedford 1812 - Tailor & Clothier

1871 St Paul's Bedford
George Gray born Eaton Socon, Bushmead, Bedford 1812 - Tailor

1881 13 Green Hill St ST paul's Bedford
George Grey born (as above) 1812 - Tailor

1891 St Paul's Bedford
George (GRACE - incorrect transcription) Gray born as above - Tailor
Eliza Gray daughter unmarried born Bedford 1840

George Gray died 1892 March ¼ Bedford vol 3b p261

1901 Broomfield St Paul, Bedford
Eliza (GADY - incorrect transcription) Gray Head born 1840 Bedford unmarried living on own means
Julia (GADY - incorrect transcription) Gray sister born 1845 Bedford unmarried living on own means

Eliza Gray died 1906 March ¼ Bedford vol 3b p191

Looks like this could be your George Gray from Julia's return to the fold in 1901 census.

Couldn't locate Eliza in 1861, 1871, 1881 yet and Julia has only appeared in 1851, 1861 so far.

Good luck
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