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James CROWLEY b1894 - birth cert puzzle
« on: Wednesday 22 September 04 20:42 BST (UK) »
Hi all,

this is my first posting on the site so please be gentle with me!! Smiley

I'm hoping somebody out there might be able to give me a few ideas as to why this is.....  Huh

I have a copy of a birth certificate but the name of the father just has a line through it as does the occupation of the father.  Presumably because the fathers details were not given at the time the birth was registered.  The mother is listed as being Mary Ann CROWLEY formerly (looks like) HORROCKS although I've not found a marriage between John and Mary yet. 

My puzzle/question is this - if Mary Ann CROWLEY was married to the childs father (or claiming to be married to him when registering the birth) why would the fathers details be left blank?

Anybody got any thoughts on this?

Netty 
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« Reply #1 on: Thursday 23 September 04 01:50 BST (UK) »
Hi Netty Grin

welcome to RootsChat. I have two certificates without the father's details and in both cases the child was born out of wedlock.

If you go to the link below you will find lots of information on all types of certificates

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 http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm

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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 23 September 04 16:07 BST (UK) »
 Smiley

thanks, that link was very interesting and helpful. 

Since I made my posting yesterday I've  managed to find James CROWLEY (age 6) on the 1901 census living with his mother who has married a Frederick DREW.  Mary Anns mother also appears to be living with them - she's a Bridget DORICKS although I'm pretty sure this should be HORROCKS.   I have a ref for the marriage of Mary CROWLEY to Frederick DREW so  I'm hopeful that getting that marriage certificate will clarify her status as widowed or spinster.

Was divorce freely available to the "common man" at that time?  (c1894-1901) And what would the status of a divorced person be shown as on a subsequent marriage certificate?

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 23 September 04 22:03 BST (UK) »
Hi again Netty,
congrats on your find Grin  Here is a site explaining the 1857 divorce act.
 
www.channel4.com/history/ microsites/V/victorians/3_divorce.html - 17k -ct of 1857

There was a time when men just had to prove adultery but women had to prove incest, bigamy, cruely or desertion as well!! Huh Talk about a stacked deck!!

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Shepherd, Foyle, Crowter, Green, Wiltshire
Strickland, Fisher, Butterworth, Brown, Northhamptonshire
Shepherd, Bullock, Waterhouse, Lancashire
Fisher, Goodwin, Rutland



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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 26 April 05 04:27 BST (UK) »
Did you ever get that Marriage Certificate of Mary and Frederick Drew.   I would be interested in your Frederick Drew if possible.
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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 10 May 05 21:29 BST (UK) »
Netty - divorce was so expensive before 1939 that it was really the preserve of the wealthy.
A marriage certificate for a person who had been divorced would usually state that the person had been married previously and was divorced from that, named, person. That is, of course, assuming the truth was told.
The difficulty in divorcing meant, in practice, that there were thousands of common-law "marriages".
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