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Unmarried parents in mid 1800's Kent
« on: Friday 03 February 06 04:12 GMT (UK) »

For some reason that I have yet to discover, my g2 grandfather, Tom Darling, never married my g2 grandmother, Martha Langridge. They lived together as husband and wife in vicinity of Hadlow and they produced a family together. The 1871 -'81 census shows them living together. But their children took their mother's surname, and their birth- and marriage- certificates have blank entries for information re their father and his occupation. During her long life my grandmother was very sensitive about her illegitimacy. So my question to the list is this:
was this sort of thing common in rural Kent in the late 1800's, and what were the usual circumstances?
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Re: Unmarried parents in mid 1800's Kent
« Reply #1 on: Friday 03 February 06 07:43 GMT (UK) »

It was unususal for couple not to marry.
Perhaps one of them was not free to marry.  Have you looked for a marriage for either of them to someone else?
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Re: Unmarried parents in mid 1800's Kent
« Reply #2 on: Friday 03 February 06 16:31 GMT (UK) »

Thanks for this. Yes I agree that a previous marriage comes to mind as explanation. If so it must have taken place between 1861 (Tom Darling, an ag.lab aged 18, was still at home with his parents in Berkshire) - and 1871 when he and Martha Langridge were living together in Five Oak Green - but as yet with no children. There are no registered Martha Langridge marriages in this period, but there are several Thomas Darling marriages.

If Tom WAS already married when he set up house with Martha, would the parish authorities have taken an interest?

If it turns out examination of all those marriage certificates turns up no evidence that Tom was already married, then what other explanation comes to mind? Today it might be 'hey we just never got around to it somehow..' but in the 1870's I have a feeling that things were different?
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Re: Unmarried parents in mid 1800's Kent
« Reply #3 on: Friday 03 February 06 18:56 GMT (UK) »

Sometimes we can't find out why our ancestors did what they did. Sad

The authorities would only have been interested if the law had been broken, ie. a bigamous marriage.

It would be worth looking a the baptism entries for the children as sometimes the vicar thought fit to add a comment about the marital status of the parents.
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Re: Unmarried parents in mid 1800's Kent
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 04 February 06 08:52 GMT (UK) »

The 1871 and 1881 census shows them as married - not as Thomas DARLING and Martha LANGRIDGE. 
Are you sure they didn't tie the knot?
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Re: Unmarried parents in mid 1800's Kent
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 04 February 06 15:54 GMT (UK) »

Well its hard to be sure. Heres the evidence:

1. No Langridge-Darling marriage in the Register between 1861 (Tom Darling (18) at home with his parents in Berkshire) and 1871 (Tom Darling living with Martha in Five Oak Green)

2. When the Tom and Martha' children were born, Martha registered them as Langridges, not as little Darlings. I have one of their birth certificates. It gives [blank] for fathers name.

3. When the children married, they married as Langridges. For example in 1898 Emma Langridge (b.1876 in Five Oak Green) married Horace Vousden at Christ Church, Tonbridge. Father's name is [blank] in the marriage certificate. But after Horace died she married again (1924, Tonbridge registry office), as a widow, Emma Vousden and this time she was finally able to say that her father was Thomas Darling (dec.), a barber.

4. Tom Darling, a barber, died in 1883 of TB at Five oak Green. His death certificate has 'the mark of Martha Langridge, present at the death'.

I realise that interesting info might well come from the parish registers of ?Capel, ?Tudeley, ?Hadlow, or ?E. Peckham. Unfortunately I happen to live in Canada, so don't have easy access to these.
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Re: Unmarried parents in mid 1800's Kent
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 05 February 06 22:15 GMT (UK) »

Sounds as though you have explored most possibilities.
Does anyone have access to baptism records of Capel, Tudely, Hadlow or East Peckham?

P.S. Did Tom DARLING leave a will?
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Re: Unmarried parents in mid 1800's Kent
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 05 February 06 23:33 GMT (UK) »

I'm by no means an expert on finding wills. They just seem to pop up all over the place. However I did have a chance to check through the index at the London Family Records Centre. No luck there.

According to family legend, Tom was of aristocratic birth and couldn't quite bring himself to stain the family escutcheon by passing on the Darling name to his offspring by Martha, a coachman's daughter and simple country lass. Tom is supposed to have been disinherited because of Martha, joined the Met, been injured in a riot and finally come back to Five Oak Green to take up barbering....

Well Tom IS recorded as 'lame' in the 1871 census, and he clearly DID finish up as a barber, but other than that there isn't a whole lot of support for this colourful story!

The census clearly identifies Tom as a the son of a Berkshire ag. lab. After Tom's father died, the census shows that Tom's mother supported herself by taking in washing. And Martha's dad is consistently recorded as ag.lab, although she had a (probably distant) relative in 'John Langridge, Fly-Master of Tunbridge Wells', who did leave a will in 1850 (this will is on A2A but unfortunately its pretty much illegible in the on-line version).

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