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Vivian- Richards Family in Cambourne
« on: Friday 03 February 06 08:41 GMT (UK) »

Hi Every One
I need help!!!!!
I have hit  a major Brick Wall. 
Frederick Vivian Richards. Born approx 1874. Father: Frederick VIVIAN, Mother: Catherine RICHARDS

The story goes that Frederick Vivian Died before or just after Frederick jnr was Born, Catherine apparently died also while he was still a child. Then he was adobted?? by whom I don't know.
On Frederick VIVIAN RICHARDS marriage certificate to Maria Barber in 1899 SYDNEY NSW.
Frederick states his parents as the above mentioned.
All of Frederick and Maria's children bar one has the VIVIAN as a second name.
Apparently during the 1950's Frederick and Maria sent for their Birth certificates in England.
It was then discovered that Frederick was not listed.Huh He may have been register under the VIVIAN surname not RICHARDS. I have searched the 1881 census there are some possiblities
If any one has any Bright IDEAS as to where to look next.
asaph ( with a sore head) Sad Wink



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Bryson: Antrim Ireland.
Bugg: Suffolk.UK
Barber: Norfolk. UK
Sewell: Northumberland.UK
Jay: Middlesex, Hertfordshire.UK
Simpson : Segully Tyrone Ireland
Roach/Roche: Australia.
Richards: Cambourne Cornwall.UK
Vivian: Cambourne Cornwall UK
Hampton: Mauritius, England,
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Re: Vivian- Richards Family in Cambourne
« Reply #1 on: Friday 03 February 06 10:27 GMT (UK) »

Not sure if this will be of use - from the Camborne OPC site

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~camborneopc/tmillbur1879-1882.htm

page 198 - listing no. 1581
Catharine RICHARDS died Oct 19th 1882 - age 42 - residence Tuckingmill


How come your Frederick had his mother's surname? A bit unusual  Huh
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London: Le Franc, Watson, Read

Cornwall: Phillips of St. Ives, Chappells of Penwith
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Re: Vivian- Richards Family in Cambourne
« Reply #2 on: Friday 03 February 06 10:36 GMT (UK) »

Dont know if this is him in 1891-Mawgan in Pyder-Cornwall

Frederick Vivian 17 b St Columb Major-Cornwall                Farm Servant
In the household of Thomas and Selena Read

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Re: Vivian- Richards Family in Cambourne
« Reply #3 on: Friday 03 February 06 10:38 GMT (UK) »

Thanks for the help.
Will look into death you mentioned.

Not quite sure why Frederick has his mothers name.
I suspect that Frederick's parents may not have married.
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Bryson: Antrim Ireland.
Bugg: Suffolk.UK
Barber: Norfolk. UK
Sewell: Northumberland.UK
Jay: Middlesex, Hertfordshire.UK
Simpson : Segully Tyrone Ireland
Roach/Roche: Australia.
Richards: Cambourne Cornwall.UK
Vivian: Cambourne Cornwall UK
Hampton: Mauritius, England,
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Re: Vivian- Richards Family in Cambourne
« Reply #4 on: Friday 03 February 06 10:42 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Joe. Smiley
It could be him.
I should have mentioned befor that Frederick Vivian Richards  is surposed to have been a stow away on a ship that came to Australia. aged 17yrs or so.
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Taunton, Stagg, Jeans, Peppard, Thorne, Hann. Chaffey in Montacute Somerset.
Bryson: Antrim Ireland.
Bugg: Suffolk.UK
Barber: Norfolk. UK
Sewell: Northumberland.UK
Jay: Middlesex, Hertfordshire.UK
Simpson : Segully Tyrone Ireland
Roach/Roche: Australia.
Richards: Cambourne Cornwall.UK
Vivian: Cambourne Cornwall UK
Hampton: Mauritius, England,
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Re: Vivian- Richards Family in Cambourne
« Reply #5 on: Friday 03 February 06 10:47 GMT (UK) »

The same Frederick in 1881 is age 7 in St Columb Major union Workhouse

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Re: Vivian- Richards Family in Cambourne
« Reply #6 on: Friday 03 February 06 10:55 GMT (UK) »

Joe that might just be him.
This would add up with the story of him being orphaned at a young age.
so now just need a birth record with catherine Richards listed as a parent.

Thanks Smiley
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Taunton, Stagg, Jeans, Peppard, Thorne, Hann. Chaffey in Montacute Somerset.
Bryson: Antrim Ireland.
Bugg: Suffolk.UK
Barber: Norfolk. UK
Sewell: Northumberland.UK
Jay: Middlesex, Hertfordshire.UK
Simpson : Segully Tyrone Ireland
Roach/Roche: Australia.
Richards: Cambourne Cornwall.UK
Vivian: Cambourne Cornwall UK
Hampton: Mauritius, England,
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Re: Vivian- Richards Family in Cambourne
« Reply #7 on: Friday 03 February 06 11:47 GMT (UK) »

Joe had a look at the 1881 census.
There is also a Mary VIVIAN aged 31 and a John VIVIAN aged11 as well as Frederick VIVIAN aged 8 years. I think they are a family group.  Which would discount them as being mine.

My Frederick always used RICHARDS as his surname.
Though the VIVIAN name ment alot to him to make sure all the children bar the youngest were given it as well.
asaph Smiley
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Taunton, Stagg, Jeans, Peppard, Thorne, Hann. Chaffey in Montacute Somerset.
Bryson: Antrim Ireland.
Bugg: Suffolk.UK
Barber: Norfolk. UK
Sewell: Northumberland.UK
Jay: Middlesex, Hertfordshire.UK
Simpson : Segully Tyrone Ireland
Roach/Roche: Australia.
Richards: Cambourne Cornwall.UK
Vivian: Cambourne Cornwall UK
Hampton: Mauritius, England,
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Re: Vivian- Richards Family in Cambourne
« Reply #8 on: Friday 03 February 06 13:54 GMT (UK) »

Hi Asaph
I dont know if you have these details or not but will post anyway as Catherine and Frederick live in the same street IN 1871

RG10/2325-51-Camborne (Town Tuckinghill)
Address looks like Pendarble St

Esther Bawden 70 head widow b Redruth        Grocer
Maria       " 22 granddau b Stoke Climsland            Shop ass
Catherine Richards 30 dau marr b Camborne        "      "
Florence Richards 8 grandau b Tuckingmill
Elizabeth Daw 80 Widow Sister b Cornwall

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RG10/2325-55
Pendarble St  Huh

Vivian

Roger 62 head b Camborne         Iron Founder
Anne 53 wife b        "
Frederick W 19 son b  "
Simon 14 son b Illogan

Joe

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Re: Vivian- Richards Family in Cambourne
« Reply #9 on: Friday 03 February 06 20:20 GMT (UK) »

Doesn't look good Joe, These two are both alive and well and still living with parents in 1881... Pity...But I did find this in 1891  Wink

RG12/1748 Folio 103 Page 20
9 Crockers Row
Calstock
 

CHAMPION Andrew Head 58 Mar b (Belant?) Cornwall Copper Miner
CHAMPION Anna Wife 49 Mar b St Blazey
CHAMPION Myra Dau 14 Unm b Gunnislake
CHAMPION Lemmie Dau 10 v Gunnislake Scholar
RICHARDS Fred Adopted Son 18 Unm v Camborne Brick Labourer
HATHERLEIGH Roderic Grandson 7 b Gunnislake Scholar

I see the Champions in Gunnislake in 1881 but no Frederick
 
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Re: Vivian- Richards Family in Cambourne
« Reply #10 on: Friday 03 February 06 20:26 GMT (UK) »

also found this in 1881......Image deff does say Corline but interesting  Roll Eyes

RG11/2216 Folio 49 Page 40
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TOOKE William Head 28 Mar b Tavistick Copper Mine Iron Smith
TOOKE Corline Wife 32 Mar b Bodmin
RICHARDS Fredrick Stepson 9 b Camborne Scholar

Cheers Kris  Smiley
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Re: Vivian- Richards Family in Cambourne
« Reply #11 on: Friday 03 February 06 20:43 GMT (UK) »

Now 1871 I see a Caroline Richards 24 b Bodmin...She is a married  woman living in Redruth Wife of William I Richards and has a 2 year old daughter Eda Caroline so more confusion. I thought Catherine, Corline, Caroline were similar enough. William is a Surgeon General Practitioner......The Daughter is at school in Glos in 1881.....MMMM........Kris Smiley
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Re: Vivian- Richards Family in Cambourne
« Reply #12 on: Friday 03 February 06 23:45 GMT (UK) »

Krisesjoint
  I think the Frederick Richards you found living with the Champion family is him
as Frederick was married in Sydney  NSW in the home of Mr and Mrs A Champion.
My Grandmother who sadly passed away some years ago said there was a family conection with Champion.

Thanks Smiley
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Taunton, Stagg, Jeans, Peppard, Thorne, Hann. Chaffey in Montacute Somerset.
Bryson: Antrim Ireland.
Bugg: Suffolk.UK
Barber: Norfolk. UK
Sewell: Northumberland.UK
Jay: Middlesex, Hertfordshire.UK
Simpson : Segully Tyrone Ireland
Roach/Roche: Australia.
Richards: Cambourne Cornwall.UK
Vivian: Cambourne Cornwall UK
Hampton: Mauritius, England,
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Re: Vivian- Richards Family in Cambourne
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 04 February 06 00:10 GMT (UK) »

Thats great asaph,

                              I thought he did look promising anyway and now hearing this it does seem very likely. Perhaps they all emigrated together...Certainly a connection if they were his adopted family......Kris  Cheesy
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Re: Vivian- Richards Family in Cambourne
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 04 February 06 00:18 GMT (UK) »

I am Checking the NSW BDM's  at the moment.
It looks like it is the same family.

Thanks for your help. Smiley
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Taunton, Stagg, Jeans, Peppard, Thorne, Hann. Chaffey in Montacute Somerset.
Bryson: Antrim Ireland.
Bugg: Suffolk.UK
Barber: Norfolk. UK
Sewell: Northumberland.UK
Jay: Middlesex, Hertfordshire.UK
Simpson : Segully Tyrone Ireland
Roach/Roche: Australia.
Richards: Cambourne Cornwall.UK
Vivian: Cambourne Cornwall UK
Hampton: Mauritius, England,
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