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Topic: *COMPLETED* LEGGS of CARRICKFERGUS (Read 1354 times)
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pentio
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Hi Debbie
Re your posting Charles Legg was a coal importer who had premises in Governors Place Carrickfergus which is facing the Castle.
The building was later bought by Kelly's coal.
Re Legg Park it was built on the old site of the Carrick Shipyard which Charles owned. He had bought the yard from a Mr John Hilditch.
He lived at Bayview which is now known as Irish Quarter South it is just off the main Belfast Road as you drive into Carrickfergus about 200-300 yards from the Castle.
There is also a Street named after him Charles Legg Drive which is in the Victoria Road area of Carrickfergus about 2 miles from the Castle.
He also owned a home, Scotch house in Market Place which he gave to the town in 1919.
Minorca Place is so called because the land was owned by Colonel Richard Kane who fought in the Williamite wars.He was also the Governor of the Spanish island of Minorca from 1713 until 1737.
I have some photos of Legg Park and if you like i could take some photos of the other places you mention.
If you would like a copy of these photos please send me your e mail address via pm.
If you require anything else checked i would be happy to do it for you.
Regards
Pentio.
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leggbiz
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Hi Debbie
I am somewhat confused by this thread. I and my family have visited Legg Park in Carrickfergus and the memorial is to Charles MacFerran Legg (my great uncle). We were always under the impression that the park was given by his father, my gt gt uncle, also named Charles MacFerran Legg and born 20 Nov 1858.
The younger CF Legg did die in France in 1918 though not in action. He was thrown from his horse at Bavinchove. He was an alumnus of "Inst" (Belfast). There is more information here:
http://www.instgreatwar.com/page16.htm
When I first saw your mention of Legg Park I thought we may be related but cannot see any connection to the names you mention. If anyone can shed any light on our conflicting info I'd be grateful.
kind regards
Hugh G. Legg
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kersfam
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Hi Debbie I am somewhat confused by this thread. I and my family have visited Legg Park in Carrickfergus and the memorial is to Charles MacFerran Legg (my great uncle). We were always under the impression that the park was given by his father, my gt gt uncle, also named Charles MacFerran Legg and born 20 Nov 1858. The younger CF Legg did die in France in 1918 though not in action. He was thrown from his horse at Bavinchove. He was an alumnus of "Inst" (Belfast). There is more information here: http://www.instgreatwar.com/page16.htmWhen I first saw your mention of Legg Park I thought we may be related but cannot see any connection to the names you mention. If anyone can shed any light on our conflicting info I'd be grateful. kind regards Hugh G. Legg
Hello Hugh,
Well this is a fascinating turn up for the books! I have spoken to my 88 year old mother-in -law nee Legg and she is adamant that her father John Legg and his sister were brought up in the household of Charles Legg the gentleman who dedicated the park to his only son 'Hugh Legg', (interesting that you have the same name). She insists that this Charles M Legg was her father's uncle, (she still calls him Great Uncle Charlie and doesnt know what the M stands for) You apparently have proof to the contrary and I only have the word of an old lady so I really don't know what to tell you.
I do know that 'her' great uncle Charles M Legg was born circa 1858, his wife was an invalid and upon the death of his brother Samuel he took in his brothers widow, Jessie and young family John, Eileen and Daisy. On the death of his Uncle Charlie, John used some of his inheritance to visit Ireland again to show off his children to his Legg relatives. My mother in law was too young at the time to remember their names.
There are letters of administration dated May 1889 granted to Jessie Legg, widow of Samuel Davys Legg of 124 York St, Belfast. His occupation was recorded as Mercantile Clerk (my mother in law says her grandfather Samuel worked with his brother Charles in the family business which was Merchant Shipowners.) John Legg is named as father of the groom on Samuels marriage certificate and his profession is Merchant. There is an entry of a John Legg in the 1861 Trade directory as Merchant/shipowner and the address given is Minorca Carrickferrgus. This John apparently died in 1884, address Minorca Carrickferrgus as the will was proved 3 February 1884, at Belfast by a Mathew Legg Manager of Carrickferrgus Mill and one of the executors.
I imagine an entry in a census for 1891 and 1901 Carrickferrgus, would help to settle who my mother in laws father was living with at that time and possibly a copy of the will if any copies or records exist of Samuel and John and 'Uncle Charlie'. I certainly do not question the information you have regarding the younger Charles Legg in your tree, but I don't know where my mother in law got the name Hugh Legg from.
Do any of the addresses mentioned ring any bells?
Debbie
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Connolly: PLYMOUTH, COUNTY CORK. Gillespie/Glasby: IRELAND, DEVON. Kerslake: DEVON & SURREY & MDDX, (all LNDN). Bone: NORTHUMBERLAND & CLEVELAND. Mitchell: KENT, SURREY. Howell: KENT. Taylor: KENT & DEVON.
Carter: SURREY, LONDON, KENT. Waldock: BEDS, CLEVELAND. Brittain: CLEVELAND. Ruddock: YORKS. Fidler: YORKS. Burke: IRELAND.
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kersfam
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Hello again Hugh,
I see that there are two entries for C Leggs on the 1910 Ulster Street Directory for Carrickfergus:
Charles M., U D C of Belfast Road and C M Legg, Governor Walk, Shipowner and Merchant. I am assuming that UDC stands for Ulster Defence Constabulary? Is this your great Uncle?
Debbie
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Connolly: PLYMOUTH, COUNTY CORK. Gillespie/Glasby: IRELAND, DEVON. Kerslake: DEVON & SURREY & MDDX, (all LNDN). Bone: NORTHUMBERLAND & CLEVELAND. Mitchell: KENT, SURREY. Howell: KENT. Taylor: KENT & DEVON.
Carter: SURREY, LONDON, KENT. Waldock: BEDS, CLEVELAND. Brittain: CLEVELAND. Ruddock: YORKS. Fidler: YORKS. Burke: IRELAND.
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aghadowey
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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U.D.C. = Urban District Council
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kersfam
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Hi Debbie I am somewhat confused by this thread. I and my family have visited Legg Park in Carrickfergus and the memorial is to Charles MacFerran Legg (my great uncle). We were always under the impression that the park was given by his father, my gt gt uncle, also named Charles MacFerran Legg and born 20 Nov 1858. The younger CF Legg did die in France in 1918 though not in action. He was thrown from his horse at Bavinchove. He was an alumnus of "Inst" (Belfast). There is more information here: http://www.instgreatwar.com/page16.htmWhen I first saw your mention of Legg Park I thought we may be related but cannot see any connection to the names you mention. If anyone can shed any light on our conflicting info I'd be grateful. kind regards Hugh G. Legg
I have just found a J L M'Ferran one of 18 of Ulster District council members in the same 1910 Ulster Street Directory.
Debbie
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Connolly: PLYMOUTH, COUNTY CORK. Gillespie/Glasby: IRELAND, DEVON. Kerslake: DEVON & SURREY & MDDX, (all LNDN). Bone: NORTHUMBERLAND & CLEVELAND. Mitchell: KENT, SURREY. Howell: KENT. Taylor: KENT & DEVON.
Carter: SURREY, LONDON, KENT. Waldock: BEDS, CLEVELAND. Brittain: CLEVELAND. Ruddock: YORKS. Fidler: YORKS. Burke: IRELAND.
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kersfam
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Hi Debbie I am somewhat confused by this thread. I and my family have visited Legg Park in Carrickfergus and the memorial is to Charles MacFerran Legg (my great uncle). We were always under the impression that the park was given by his father, my gt gt uncle, also named Charles MacFerran Legg and born 20 Nov 1858. The younger CF Legg did die in France in 1918 though not in action. He was thrown from his horse at Bavinchove. He was an alumnus of "Inst" (Belfast). There is more information here: http://www.instgreatwar.com/page16.htmWhen I first saw your mention of Legg Park I thought we may be related but cannot see any connection to the names you mention. If anyone can shed any light on our conflicting info I'd be grateful. kind regards Hugh G. Legg I have just found a J L M'Ferran one of 18 of Ulster District council members in the same 1910 Ulster Street Directory. Debbie
I am sorry about this Hugh, but I thought you would find this interesting.
I have just discovered this site which refers to my husbands Great Uncle Charlie and a yacht he had built in 1897. You will note that they mention Legg park being built for Charles snrs son Charles HUGH Legg who died in WWI aged 25! The image of the two men caused my husband to exclaim excitedly, "That's my grandfather JACK LEGG!!!!" I am hoping to receive a copy of an old photograph of John (Jack) Legg, my husbands grandfather, in his 'whites' and when you compare the two images the resemblance is uncanny. If it is him, then the other white haired old gentleman pictured may be Charles M Legg.
http://heritageboatassociation.ie/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=207&Itemid=35
I think this answers some of the questions don't you? 
Very best wishes
Debbie
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Connolly: PLYMOUTH, COUNTY CORK. Gillespie/Glasby: IRELAND, DEVON. Kerslake: DEVON & SURREY & MDDX, (all LNDN). Bone: NORTHUMBERLAND & CLEVELAND. Mitchell: KENT, SURREY. Howell: KENT. Taylor: KENT & DEVON.
Carter: SURREY, LONDON, KENT. Waldock: BEDS, CLEVELAND. Brittain: CLEVELAND. Ruddock: YORKS. Fidler: YORKS. Burke: IRELAND.
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kersfam
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Following the posts I sent you with regards to Charles M Legg snr, I found the 1911 census with details of 'Uncle Charlie's 'children which you no doubt have:
Charles McFerran (?) Legg head 52, Shipowner/Coal Merchant married
Hugh Gordon Legg son 23 Clerk coal Office single
Edith Elizabeth dau 22
Emma dau 20 undergraduate Oxford
Annie McKinney (?) Legg dau 15 scholar
Charles son 17 undergraduate Queens Univ
Frances Havergal (?) Legg dau 13 scholar
Sarah Hassan Domestic Servant 20
I noted on the site you linked me to regarding Charles Legg who died in WWI, that you mentioned your grandfather was a Hugh G Legg, so I wondered which Hugh G Legg you meant. This one in the 1911 census or the Hugh G Legg found on this site: http://www.historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?displaygraveyardinfo&graveyard_name=Victoria%20Cemetery., who on a visit from Cape Town obviously in 1904 with his wife, dedicated £1000 to the cemetery and in memorial to his deceased parents.
Based on this, it is clear to me that there are TWO Hugh G Leggs and one of them emigrated to South Africa. I am wondering if this is a brother or uncle to both Charles and Samuel.
I spoke again to my mother in law late last night and without any encouragement or prompting on my part, she proceeded to tell me that she thought that Uncle Charlies middle name "M" must be the surname MacFerran as she had cousins with that name, (she believes they came from Dublin) and in fact some time after 1945 and before 1949 a John (?) MacFerran visited her father Jack Legg and their family in Croydon. She was apologetic she could not remember his first name and when I gave her the names of Uncle Charlies children she admitted that she had never heard of them and if her father was bound to have mentioned them she would have forgotten. She was pleased but not the least surprised to learn that Uncle Charlie had other children even though she knew nothing about them or could not remember them.
Unless I hear any further from you I shall not post anymore information on this particular thread concerning dear old Uncle Charlie and his children or the Legg family and shall mark this *completed* even though it is far from being so. If you would like, you can send me a private message on here and I shall be happy to give you my e-mail address.
To re-iterate, you do seem to be related to my husband and mother in law, distant cousins in fact as you share the same Charles M Legg one way or another.
Best wishes
Debbie 
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Connolly: PLYMOUTH, COUNTY CORK. Gillespie/Glasby: IRELAND, DEVON. Kerslake: DEVON & SURREY & MDDX, (all LNDN). Bone: NORTHUMBERLAND & CLEVELAND. Mitchell: KENT, SURREY. Howell: KENT. Taylor: KENT & DEVON.
Carter: SURREY, LONDON, KENT. Waldock: BEDS, CLEVELAND. Brittain: CLEVELAND. Ruddock: YORKS. Fidler: YORKS. Burke: IRELAND.
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leggbiz
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Fascinating. I have no idea how to send a private message on here but I'm sure somebody will tell me and I'd be delighted to correspond directly with you.
My grandfather, Hugh Gordon Legg, was born in 1887 so clearly NOT the one referred to on the "Headstones" site. This becomes very confusing however as I am South African having been born in Cape Town as a result of my grandfather emigrating there himself. This seems to be an extraordinary coincidence.
Thanks so much for the page about the yacht. This would appear to suggest that there is a connection between our two families. Was John Legg a brother of Charles? The only siblings we have record of are Hugh Gordon Legg (b. 1853) and Eileen Legg. Now I wonder if THIS HG Legg was in Cape Town before my grandfather and gave him the idea to emigrate there. He could be the HG Legg who made the £1,000 gift to Carrickfergus.
We have no record of a brother, Samuel so this is clearly worthy of further research.
I attach a photograph of the memorial stone in Legg Park.
kind regards
Hugh
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