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octochamp
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More on the Thomas Cooper marriage to Mary Haggisse. Leveritt lists it as mary's first marriage and Thomas ' second (though he hasn't got any detail about the first one). I think you are right, because the dates don't tally at all.
According to Leveritt, Thomas had three children (supposedly by Mary) - Ann (baptised at Henlow 07/09/1650), Elizabeth (baptised at Henlow 1654) and Mary (baptised at Henlow 22/07/1656).
Is it not right that the baptism registers of the time would not give the maiden name of the married mother - so the entry presumably will read "parents: Thomas Cooper and Mary Cooper" - in which case one wonders where Leveritt's marriage to Mary Haggisse comes from - looks like an odd leap of speculation, but he doesn't mention any specific sources, except Ian Gray from whom he seems to have taken quite a lot. Gray is the source of much of this but he doesn't seem to want to reveal his sources to me!
Hope this reassures you. Would that others were more careful with their research...
Stuart
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octochamp
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Oops - I've got the details of Elizabeth's baptism too! The message should have read:
More on the Thomas Cooper marriage to Mary Haggisse. Leveritt lists it as mary's first marriage and Thomas ' second (though he hasn't got any detail about the first one). I think you are right, because the dates don't tally at all.
According to Leveritt, Thomas had three children (supposedly by Mary H) - Ann (baptised at Henlow 07/09/1650), Elizabeth (baptised at Henlow 02/02/1654) and Mary (baptised at Henlow 22/07/1656).
Is it not right that the baptism registers of the time would not give the maiden name of the married mother - so the entry presumably will read "parents: Thomas Cooper and Mary Cooper" - in which case one wonders where Leveritt's marriage to Mary Haggisse comes from - looks like an odd leap of speculation, but he doesn't mention any specific sources, except Ian Gray from whom he seems to have taken quite a lot. Gray is the source of much of this but he doesn't seem to want to reveal his sources to me!
Hope this reassures you. Would that others were more careful with their research...
Stuart
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B.E.
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Back to basics again: I can see Shefford, Southill and Clifton on a modern OS map - they look like reasonably "standard" nucleated Saxon villages, but can anyone build me a nice little pen-picture of what they might have been like in William Earl's days there in the early Victorian era? Was agriculture the basis for virtually all the work? Was the agricultural economy suffering in the area? Is it likely that William left for Long Eaton with his family to find work in a more industrial region?
And what the dickens did straw plaiters actually do?
Cheers,
Brian
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B.E.
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John,
Thanks for the links. I now know what a straw plaiter did and I'm going to "waste" hours of time on the old maps site - never knew it existed!
Cheers,
Brian
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Hi Stuart
In the mid 1600s the parish register usually only gave the father's name eg 7 Sep 1650 Ann dau of Thos Cowper, so you didn't even get the mother's christian name let alone her maiden surname! It wasn't until 1837 with the introduction of civil registration that the mother's maiden name was included in the birth details (but this wasn't usually included in the parish register for the baptism)
It wasn't until the burials that Mary's name is revealed, but who she was I haven't a clue (other than she wasn't Mary Haggisse!). I'm still looking for Thomas's will, which isn't in Beds, but as his burial entry states Thomas "of Norton" (which is Herts) I'm checking to see if Hertford has a copy.
I believe Neil got his information from Ian (who also kindly sent me his database some years ago having worked on it with my late father). Ian's research is VERY thorough (he employed professionals for some of the tricky bits) and is totally reliable, and any deviations from it eg marriage to Mary Haggisse, are suspect (your problem is you don't know where the deviations are!) . You have access to my tree on Ge Re - if you're interested I'll send you a more detailed report offline.
Because of the presence of this Cooper family on the Mayflower there is enormous US interest in them, hence the research that has been carried out in the US on their pre 1600 ancestry.
Regards
David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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