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fishweb
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Hi , this could be the family in 1841
H0107/927/10 Shrewsbury St Mary
Spring Gardens
the image is quite hard to read.
Ann Jacks age 55 born in County Yes
John Jacks age 35 Boatman born in county Y
George Jacks age 20 looks like boatman born in county Y
Henry Jacks age 4 born in county Y
best regards
Cathy
PS looks like Ann the Mother died in 1858
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/deathind.cgi
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cheshire capper houghton malia/melia fitzgerald higgins emson groves nickson staffordshire burns goddard lindop davenport wiltshire dowling chandler tuff devon cox vinnecombe-butler pearce cornwall bersey Census information is Crown Copyright,from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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SWIRLY
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That would be brilliant if it was the same family ! Guess i'd have to order the marriage certificate and see if georges fathers name is listed on it to double check .Im ever so grateful for your help!
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Bandm
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Hi Jean
Bingo!! I think you are probably related via your Gran Sarah Smith to my wife Mavis . She was born 28 January 1940 in Floodgate St Birmingham to John Ernest Ringham ( boatman)and his wife Sarah Elizabeth nee Payton. Sarah Elizabeth was the daughter of John William Payton ( boatman)b 8 May 1888 and and Sarah Smith ( your grandmother). Sarah was born on 21st April 1892 at Duddesden Wharf , Birmingham and Warwick Canal, daughter to Thomas Smith ( boatman) B 1858 and his wife Elizabeth nee Daniels B 1859. We have a copy of Sarahs birth Certificate. To date we only knew of two of Sarahs siblings; Hannah b 1879 who married Thomas Webb (Captain of President) and Mary Ann b1883 but I have just heard, via Lorna York, of the following others; Thomas, Soloman,Edward,Eliza, Elizabeth and Lilyb 1899. Lorna is sending me the details.
If this connection rings true with you we would love to make contact . I am happy to give you our email (*)
Looking forward to hearing from you
Brian
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Daniels, Edwards,Faulkner, Gallimore,Hoare,Nightingale,Nixon, Payton, Price,Ringham,Smith, Stokes,Webb
Midlands boating families
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Bandm
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Thanks moderator. As a Rootschat virgin this was my very first attempt at a consummation. Will quickly try to come up with 3 postings; does this one count?
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Daniels, Edwards,Faulkner, Gallimore,Hoare,Nightingale,Nixon, Payton, Price,Ringham,Smith, Stokes,Webb
Midlands boating families
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Bandm
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Hi Jean
I have posted a couple of responses now to your February enquiries. Hopefully this will now bring my total up to the required number 3 and allow me to contact you with a Personal Message. Whisly Payton and Smith are two of my main lines of research I have also gathered canal families information, almost exclusively the Midlands , Birmingham, Staffordshire, Derbyshire, Nottingham. Families include Daniels, Edwards,Faulkner, Hammersley, Nightingale,Nixon, Price,Ringham, Stokes, Webb.I am happy to share the info with others.
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Daniels, Edwards,Faulkner, Gallimore,Hoare,Nightingale,Nixon, Payton, Price,Ringham,Smith, Stokes,Webb
Midlands boating families
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sammylou
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We have now established that my SMITH family - George and Solomon, George Henry, Thomas etc - are also related to Jean's and BandM's Smith family so we are getting somewhere!
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Cripps, Hall, Lampett, Makepeace, Mason, Nightingale, Smith, Smythe, Statham, Stokes
Coventry Canals, Cirencester, Dipton, Girton, Rugby
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Bandm
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hI and sorry for any confusion
This began with a request for info relating to Sarah Smith b 1892 into a Midlands canal boating family descended from Thomas Smith b1858 and the Payton boating family descended from James Payton b1859. We have now established that Sarah had nine siblings George Henry. Hannah,Thomas, Edward,Eliza,Elizabeth, Lily,Maryand Solomon.
George Henry married Sonia Rolt, Hannah married Thomas Webb. Sarah married John William Payton and their daughter Sarah Elizabeth married boatman John Ernest Ringham . their daughter Mavis is my wife. Her uncle Harry is the father of Jean Grahame. Jean was the chat enquirer seeking a link so it's all ended happily with cousins reunited!
The Smiths and Paytons are inter connected ( so far)with the following other Midlands boating families; Webb, Edwards,Price,Daniels, Stokes,Nightingale, Nixon and Faulkner.
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Daniels, Edwards,Faulkner, Gallimore,Hoare,Nightingale,Nixon, Payton, Price,Ringham,Smith, Stokes,Webb
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Catsclaws
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Hi Canal woman and all .
Just to back Brian up in here because of roots chat and a lot of perseverance real progress has been made in the telling of the Smith /Payton Boating story I also would like to add Samantha to this who has been working hard on this too . She had her part to play and brought the Price family also famous Boatsmen into the story and George Henry Smith and Much much more .She is yet another lost cousin .
This is in itself a remarkable tale . So many thanks Roots Chat it would have been even more difficult without you .
Best Wishes Jean
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canal woman
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A Big Thankyou.
How wonderful to have managed to tie all these families together and link so many folk.
I have an Edwards in my Family married into the Turtons, perhaps I need to reserect him and see if he fits into the scheme!!!!
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Turton Canals
Wood Canals
Neale Canals
Cartwright Canals
Grainger Canals
Beesley , Perry, [ West Brom and Wednesbury ]
Barker, Tranter, Rich, Jones, Glover [ Midlands, Dudley ]
Darby, Northampton/Rugby
Birtwisle Cheshire/Shropshire
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jacquelineve
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Has anyone any info re.Job Allen c 1815ish.
He wed an Eliza Whitehouse in 1842 at Dymock Gloucs-both Job +his father Thomas were boatmen as was Eliza's father Richard.
possible death in 1853 at Ledbury age 40,apart from marriage I have no further info.
My interests..Gloucs-Hereford-Staffs-Worcs
Whitehouse +Hodgetts
associated by marriage
Shaw
Williams
Asson
King
Fletcher
Kent
Pooler
Smith
Woodward
Possibly a Webb connection.
Jackie
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Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs Harts Hill: Baggot Wright Tipton:Whitehouse (boatman) Timmins Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson Derbyshire:Wilcockson Derby Belper:Spencer Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs. Hodgetts Radnorshire: Meredith Bristol Somerset: Box Census Information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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sammylou
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Thankyou for your kind comments Jean. I am not sure about the Price connection though!
Can I also just confirm where my Smith family fall in - as BandM has 2 George Smith's mixed up! They did keep the same names after all!
Sarah's brothers George Henry and Solomon married sisters from the Statham family. They are mentioned in the book Ramlin Rose by Sheila Stewart.
George Henry Smith and Hannah (nee Statham) had a few children including my Grandfather and his brother George Smith. This George Smith was married to Sonia (then Smith) - who later went on to marry author LTC Rolt - so became Sonia Rolt and wrote a book called A Canal People with lots of photos of the Smith family in by Robert Longden as well as having lots to do with founding the Waterways Museum.
This should give enough information for any other cousins to get in touch!
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Cripps, Hall, Lampett, Makepeace, Mason, Nightingale, Smith, Smythe, Statham, Stokes
Coventry Canals, Cirencester, Dipton, Girton, Rugby
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humpy
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Hi All
I am trying my best to research my family and boatmen play a large part in it My Grandmother born in 1895 in Tipton was the daughter of John Godfrey ( boatman) and I have managed to trace back from there three generations. This is where I get stuck. In the 1851 census I have the following:
Thomas Godfrey 37 boatman
Sarah 37
Maria 11
Jane 5
Elizabeth 7
John 3
James Wm 9 Mo
Living in Ladywood Birmingham
I have been trying to move to the 1871 census to find further information regarding Thomas and Sarah but come to a dead end. I looked in the BMD and I found death notes for both of them in 1866. The question is was there an accident about that time or could there be another simple reason. Of course I might be barking up the wrong tree, so any advise would be useful.
I was born and raised in Tipton and lived opposite Burnt Tree Primary school
in Whitehouse Street where I spent my formative years.
My Interests
Humphries
Jones
Turner
Godfrey
All of Tipton
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Gaille
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Have you seen this website?
http://www.glamorganfamilyhistory.co.uk/maritime/81Intro.html
Its a list of ships/boats in port on the night of the 1881 cencus - may also be of use to anyone who has 'lost' foreign sailors in the family, there are a lot of foreign nationals listed - I saw Spanish, German, Swedish, Italian, American nationals there, as well as Irish, Scottish & Welsh, IOM, and Channel Islanders, and I only had a quick look-see thru it last night!
I was sent it yesterday as it lists on of my family surnames on one of the ships.
If you go from the various counties there are a lot of Canal boats and the families that lived on them listed in the various ports (there were quite a few in Cheshire area)
There isnt a search engine as such on the site that I could find, but the control + F search does work on the individual pages.
Gaille
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Manchester – Bate(s) / Bebbington / Coppock or Coppart / Evans / Mitchell / Prince / Smith
Cheshire Latchford – Bibby / Savage / Smith.
Cheshire Macclesfield, Bollington & Rainow – Childs / Flint / Mc'rea
Cheshire Crewe – Bate(s) / Bebbington
Shropshire Wellington, Wobwell – Smith
Walsall Midds – Smith
Also looking for:
Mc'Rea/McCrea – Ireland to Cheshire
And
any relatives of Margaret Bibby married to Thomas Smith all over country
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