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Re: strays on the canals
« Reply #75 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 00:04 UTC (UK) »

The Elizabeth Ralph that you mention sounds like the sister of my GG Grandmother. Elizabeth was the daughter of John Ralph, boatmand, of Tipton, b. 16/4/1837 (died 1881-91), and Mary Ann, nee Astley, n Dec 10th 1839 in Castle Place, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire (died 1905).
My father was named Ralph after the family connection.
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Re: strays on the canals
« Reply #76 on: Tuesday 10 November 09 23:43 UTC (UK) »

Dear Stuart

I think my reply "The Elizabeth Ralph that you mention sounds like the sister of my GG Grandmother. Elizabeth was the daughter of John Ralph, boatmand, of Tipton, b. 16/4/1837 (died 1881-91), and Mary Ann, nee Astley, n Dec 10th 1839 in Castle Place, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire (died 1905).
My father was named Ralph after the family connection." was a bit confusing, and I apologize.

In fact there are two Elizabeth Ralphs that might fit.

The older Elizabeth was born in c1835.
Her parents were John Ralph, born c1905, place of birth "not known" and Elizabeth, also born approx 1905 (give or take 5 years, I guess). I do not know either set of parents. He was described as a "boatman" in the 1841 (living at 5 Wharf St, Shelton, Stoke on Trent) and 1851 (living at 12 Lower Green, Tipton) censuses.

Their children were (ages estimated from censuses):
Joseph c1830
Lucy c1832
Elizabeth c1835
John 16/4/1837-bef 1891
Anne c1840
William c1843
Samuel c1845
Mary c1847
Thomas c1851

John Ralph the son married Mary Anne Astley (1839 to 1905) on 20/10/1859
They were living at 5 Wharf St, Shelton in 1871. In 1881, Mary Anne is living in Graces house, Ellesmere Port, described as a Mariner's wife - no John. in 1891 she is a widow.

Their children are
Elizabeth b1854
Sarah Ann b  1860 (my GGrandmother)
Eliza 1867
David 1870
Mary Jane bet 1873 and '76
Isaac 1876

As you may guess, I have much more to learn about this branch of my family. I should be glad of any further information.



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Re: strays on the canals
« Reply #77 on: Wednesday 11 November 09 08:33 UTC (UK) »

Hi,
I have enjoyed reading this thread very much.  It has made me wonder if my brick wall could have been a boatman.

I cannot find George Richard Cooke born 1858/9 in Hall Green, Cheshire this comes from the 1881 census he also claims to be born in Odd Rode.

It is the possibility that his father also called George Cooke (from George junior's 1880 marriage certificate) could have been a boatman that has crossed my mind.  George senior was deceased by 1880.  George junior was not a boatman and I can follow him from 1881 right through to the 1911.

So if anyone has any Cookes please get in touch,
Thank you,
Abiam
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Re: strays on the canals
« Reply #78 on: Wednesday 11 November 09 23:42 UTC (UK) »

hello mrs noah
i am from the harrison line of boat people. do you know of the hale boat family?
the only ref i can find is that 3 out of 4 children(my gran included) where all christened in braunston, my great grandad was called robert hale.
regards
jeannette smith
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